Scientific Proof Of God

[superuniverse]

So people who see the world differently are mentally ill? Perhaps the problem is with YOU...

[Feck]

"need to mask his quatrains so as not to INTERFERE WITH DIVINE WILL "
"failure to use consistent grammar here demonstrates that meaning is more important than syntax or language."

Those are two terrible excuses when making the claim to specific accurate prophesy

[superuniverse]

"need to mask his quatrains so as not to INTERFERE WITH DIVINE WILL "
"failure to use consistent grammar here demonstrates that meaning is more important than syntax or language."

Those are two terrible excuses when making the claim to specific accurate prophesy

Well X.72 is designed for those whose minds are governed by technological imperatives, statistics, math, physics, etc...

Nostradamus - USA

The truth about Nostradamus:


Considering all the lies that were spread about Nostradamus following
9/11 it is necessary to reveal what he actually wrote....

X.72: Here is an example of a “perfect match prophecy,” with date
and event WHILE revealing the AGE of CIVILIZATION. Not the Stone Age or
the Bronze Age but the SPACE AGE.

NOSTRADAMUS REVEALS THE AGE OF CIVILIZATION IN THE YEAR 1999
(SPACE AGE).

What Britannica says about the SPACE AGE, “...Post 1945.. It
justifies the description of this period, however, as that of “space age
technology.”

Subject: THE ACTUAL 1999 PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS - X, 72

1) What relevant social-historical material can you
find in the quatrain X.72?

Only the last line relates the quatrain to the *entire
world* and refers to *particular* level of global social and historical
development. Advanced technological civilization has created the means to
travel many billions of miles through space.

Show me something in the quatrain that reveals the
type of world we lived in during 1999?

The quatrain deals with the all-embracing nature of
technology and science in human affairs and their destructive and repressive
use. It refers to a specific stage of human technological and scientific
development, a phase of human civilization called the “SPACE AGE.”

Is there something unique in that quatrain which links
it to 1999 and is found during no other time in human history?

Spaceships have been sent to Mars for quite a while.
BUT IN *ONE* YEAR (1999) *TWO* SPACESHIPS WERE DESTROYED *ON* MARS.
(i.e., The year 1999... BEFORE AND AFTER MARS REIGNS WITH GOOD FORTUNE).

That is a world historical novelty.

Other interpretations cannot point to objective *concrete reality* and just
assume that the prophecy contains no social-historical *BACKGROUND*.
Indeed, it would be no prophecy if it could not point to the concrete world
we actually live in.



Century X. Quatrain 72 {Benoist Rigaud edition de 1568}

L’an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois
Du ciel viendra un grand Roy deffraieur
Resusciter le grand Roy d’Angolmois.
*Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.*

THE ACTUAL X.72 PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS:

Century X, Quatrain 72

The year 1999, September,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of Angolmois,
*BEFORE AND AFTER MARS TO REIGN WITH GOOD FORTUNE.*

SEE DOUBLE?



DATE: 1999 SEPTEMBER. PLACE: MARS.

BEFORE AND AFTER = X 2.



THE FIRST PART OF THE PROPHECY IS CLEAR ENOUGH AND DOES NOT
REQUIRE *INTERPRETATION*.

THE THIRD LINE SHOWS THAT PROFOUND *MYSTERY* SURROUNDS THE
ENTIRE UNIVERSE. HUMAN REASON ONLY TOUCHES THE VERY SURFACE
OF REALITY. THE TRUE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE CAN NEVER BE
UNDERSTOOD OR CONTROLLED BY THE MIND. IN OTHER WORDS, THINGS ARE NOT AS THEY
SEEM…

HENCE THE LAST LINE…

THE FINAL LINE OF THE PROPHECY IS ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE *TWO*
SPACESHIPS ON MARS IN *1999*.

YOU “MISSED” THE CRITICAL 1999 PROPHECY THAT DEALS WITH THE VERY
LIMITS OF HUMAN TECHNOLOGICAL AND SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR
ULTIMATE AND CATASTROPHIC FAILURE!

COINCIDENCE? YOU BE THE JUDGE....

************NOTICE THE ACCURACY TO THE EXACT MONTH*************

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/23/mars.orbiter.04/

Mars craft probably destroyed
Doomed by bad navigation

Tense mission controllers at JPL wait for the missing signal from Mars
Climate Orbiter

September 23, 1999
Web posted at: 3:49 p.m. EDT (1949 GMT)

By Robin Lloyd
CNN Interactive Senior Writer

(CNN)—A navigation error pushed NASA’s latest Mars mission fatally
close to the planet Thursday, leaving the $125 million probe lost in space and possibly
destroyed.

NOTICE ACCURACY TO THE MONTH: SEPTEMBER 1999



"THE YEAR 1999 SEPTEMBER…

BEFORE AND AFTER (X2) MARS REIGNS WITH GOOD FORTUNE."



******NOW THE SECOND ONE LOST IN DECEMBER******

Double failure on Mars in 1999 by NASA

From cnn.com 1999, December 7.

"Silence on Mars as NASA’s ‘last silver bullet’ misses mark

Optimism among controllers turned to gloom and disappointment as the
last chance to reach the probe passed without result

December 7, 1999
Web posted at: 4:46 a.m. EST (0946 GMT)"


not a bad guess for 500 years into the future....

[Feck]

By your laughable standards the Christmas carol "Good King Wenceslas" accurately predicts both the weather this week and the current oil price .

[superuniverse]

We dont expect to convince most of you, but we will get a lot of conversions, if you know what I mean....

Since you BELIEVE in statistics...


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -says-poll

[Feck]

And the reference to iron in "In the bleak midwinter" OBVIOUSLY refers to Trump and Steel tariffs.

[superuniverse]

http://mikehammer.tripod.com/marsloss.htm - ANOTHER DOUBLE!

[Rum]

So people who see the world differently are mentally ill? Perhaps the problem is with YOU...

Well we had this discussion earlier in this thread and I explained why I think you are probably mentally ill and that it is not just a matter of a different perspective but a disorder(s) of the dopamine and glutamine brain chemistry systems. Of course you don't read what other people post here - well perhaps a line or two - because you are guilty of what you accuse people here of - a closed mind.

You do a great disservice to those who suffer the anxiety and distress that often comes with these conditions by dismissing them.

As it happens some of the most open minded but sceptical people I have ever come across are current and past members of this forum. That is how many of us reached the opinions we have. You suffer what is so common with delusional people - a sense of superiority and condescension towards others combined with fear and paranoia.

[superuniverse]

but there is more that I am trying to figure out. The Hollow Mountains in the NEW CITY are the Twin Towers.



IS THIS THE FUTURE?

SEA OF SIN:

Century X, Quatrain 49 {Benoist Rigaud edition de 1568}

Iardin du monde aupres de cité neufue,
Dans le chemin des montaignes cauees:
Sera saisi & plongé dans la Cuve,
Beuuant par force eaux soulphre enuenimees.

Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the HOLLOW MOUNTAINS:
It will be seized and plunged into the Vat,
Forced to drink waters poisoned by sulfur.

“Jardin du monde” = Garden of Eden or “Hanging Gardens of Babylon,”
which are both located in Iraq.

“Cite neufue” = New York City. (i.e., Iraq near New York City), which
implies that Iraq is somehow involved, either directly or indirectly, in the September 11
attacks, or it could refer to events in Iraq following the attack.

The “hollow mountains” links time, place, and action of the prophecy.
The “hollow mountains” is

Nostradamus’ description of the two skyscrapers of the WTC.
“In the path of the hollow mountains” means what comes after the WTC
destruction. Seized and plunged in the “Cuue” (i.e., in Renaissance French, a
fermentation cauldron used for mixing chemicals, poisons, etc) is a reference to
the seizures and drowning effects of a chemical/biological attack and/or modern day plague.

Notice “Cuue” is capitalized in the original quatrain (SEE ABOVE) to
show that this is the most important element in the quatrain.

The poisoning of the water mentioned here is of an entirely different
nature, as boiling the water or bottled water--if it were meant literally--could eliminate
the poison.

But this poisoning is far more serious as it cannot be avoided (i.e.,
forced to drink).

The drowning effects of pulmonary anthrax or some other chemical/
biological poison or modern day plague is implied. Sulfur is a symbolic reference to brimstone (i.e.,
The Wrath of God). Water is the way God destroys man during the “Flood.”

[superuniverse]

have to give some credit to John Hogue who made the association of the hollow mountains in the new city with the twin towers before 911...

[superuniverse]

But let's get back to propaganda and how it attempts to mask the deep social contradictions and grave injustices through the creation of a homogeneous and illusionary social harmony that claims we live in the best system ever and that any other alternative would be a catastrophe...

Since you believe in statistics, here are some more...

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35339475

"The richest 1% now has as much wealth as the rest of the world combined, according to Oxfam. It uses data from Credit Suisse from October for the report, which urges leaders meeting in Davos this week to take action on inequality."

Sure they will... Maybe in a thousand years if they do something at current rates of change,,,


These are the objective conditions for revolution, but the subjective factor is completely lacking. This is due in part to the modern techniques of propaganda in creating mass conformity.

https://kisworldhistory.wikispaces.com/ ... +of+Wealth

"Wealth Distribution Between Social Classes in France (18th Century)

The Three Estates
In the late 1700s, before the French Revolution, France’s social and political system was called the Old Regime. Under this system, people in France were divided up into three main social classes, called estates. The First Estate was made up of the clergy of the Roman Catholic Church. It made up only 1% of France’s total population, yet it owned 10% of the land in France. About 2% of its income was used to pay taxes to the government. The Second Estate consisted of rich nobles; it made up 2% of France’s population and owned about 20% of French land. These nobles paid almost no taxes. The Third Estate made up 97% of France’s population. This estate consisted of the bourgeoisie and urban workers such as tradespeople, apprentices, laborers, and domestic servants."

[pErvinalia]

No one here, except for probably FortyTwo, is a supporter of such unequal wealth distribution. So I'm not sure why you are posting it, particularly given 42 hasn't posted in this thread (at least for a while, as far as I'm aware). I'm also unsure of what this has to do with the alleged scientific proof of God. Unless we are to conclude that God is a gigantic cunt for letting the world degrade to this sort of situation.

[Alan B]

A useful source book I have found is "God's Lunatics" by Michael Largo. Michel de Notredame was born of Jewish parents who had converted to Christianity to avoid persecution. He later decided to latinise his name to Nostrdamus when he studied Astrology, scrying (going into a trance while staring into a bowl of water), etc.
His 'fame' started when he 'predicted' King Henry II death on the jousting field. (If that hadn't happened, we would probably never had heard of him).
It should also be noted that his 'fame' was bolstered by the literate upper classes, who, in those days, were not known for their rational thought with regard to superstition, mysticism and religion.

[Rum]

No one here, except for probably FortyTwo, is a supporter of such unequal wealth distribution. So I'm not sure why you are posting it, particularly given 42 hasn't posted in this thread (at least for a while, as far as I'm aware). I'm also unsure of what this has to do with the alleged scientific proof of God. Unless we are to conclude that God is a gigantic cunt for letting the world degrade to this sort of situation.

Well this is certainly something I agree with. If (by some incredibly unlikely chance) there is a god he/she/it/they are the biggest cunt going.

The utterly monumental - I mean staggeringly monumental - suffering and agony that it has stood by and watched happening without intervening is all you need to know. It is an old atheists' point but no less valid for that.

[Scot Dutchy]

A useful source book I have found is "God's Lunatics" by Michael Largo. Michel de Notredame was born of Jewish parents who had converted to Christianity to avoid persecution. He later decided to latinise his name to Nostrdamus when he studied Astrology, scrying (going into a trance while staring into a bowl of water), etc.
His 'fame' started when he 'predicted' King Henry II death on the jousting field. (If that hadn't happened, we would probably never had heard of him).
It should also be noted that his 'fame' was bolstered by the literate upper classes, who, in those days, were not known for their rational thought with regard to superstition, mysticism and religion.

Well in those days philosophy, theology and astrology were almost considered one subject which is why today so much money is wasted on keeping philosophers and theologians in their ivory towers.