80-foot demons, quite a problem in the US.

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Re: 80-foot demons, quite a problem in the US.

Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:05 pm

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Svartalf wrote:and half the US population has an IQ under 100... actually, America must sport an astounding number of geniuses to balance those whose IQ is in the single digits.
Yeah, how is that place even a country?
It's not, really. California is a country though. 8-)
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Post by Tero » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:44 am

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Most of the demons I run into are between 60-65 feet tall so she i full of shit.

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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:58 am

I think it is absolutely shocking that the people of the U.S. still refuse to recognise their 80 foot demon population . The U.S. must accept responsiblity for the genocide of 80 foot demons as this fine woman recognises and pay reparations to what's left of the 80 foot demon community, I'm sure a couple of thousand sacrificed babies for the next decade would go a long way in helping them, especially considering the brutality of the mass exorcisms of the 1840's which left 99% of all 80 foot demons discorporate, hostless and penniless.
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:08 am

Svartalf wrote:and half the US population has an IQ under 100... actually, America must sport an astounding number of geniuses to balance those whose IQ is in the single digits.
Actually quite a bit more than half of Americans have an IQ under 100.
Certain ethnic groups have averages significantly under 100 :prof:
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:18 am

Is that testament to the fact that IQ tests are biased to the standards of certain groups, or just that racism is still alive and well?
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Post by Feck » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:30 am

Svartalf wrote:Is that testament to the fact that IQ tests are biased to the standards of certain groups, or just that racism is still alive and well?
IQ tests don't test natural IQ ... they can be practised ...you can improve on your score So they are bollocks !

If you are white and not American try doing the BITCH-100, test LOL
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:13 am

Svartalf wrote:Is that testament to the fact that IQ tests are biased to the standards of certain groups, or just that racism is still alive and well?
The bias is mostly myth when you carefully chose your questions to measure intelligence.

If you believe in evolution, you must believe in heritability. Since intelligence is highly heritable (why wouldn't it be if you believe in evolution?) then what you call "racism" may just be scientific fact instead of people just being mean.
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:15 am

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Svartalf wrote:Is that testament to the fact that IQ tests are biased to the standards of certain groups, or just that racism is still alive and well?
IQ tests don't test natural IQ ... they can be practised ...you can improve on your score So they are bollocks !

If you are white and not American try doing the BITCH-100, test LOL
Statistics shows otherwise, they can not be practiced.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligen ... d_validity
Psychometricians generally regard IQ tests as having high statistical reliability. A high reliability implies that while test-takers can have varying scores on differing occasions when taking the same test and can vary in scores on different IQ tests taken at the same age, the scores generally agree. A test-taker's score on any one IQ test is surrounded by an error band that shows, to a specified degree of confidence, what the test-taker's true score is likely to be. For modern tests, the standard error of measurement is about 3 points, or in other words, the odds are about 2 out of 3 that a persons true IQ is in range from 3 points above to 3 points below the test IQ. Another description is that there is a 95% chance that the true IQ is in range from 4-5 points above to 4-5 points below the test IQ, depending on the test in question. Clinical psychologists generally regard them as having sufficient statistical validity for many clinical purposes
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Post by Feck » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:26 am

We did a LOT of IQ tests at University in Psychology My results varied from 120 -156 (excluding the Bitch-100 which had me as a retard) What's my IQ ? if I practice my arithmetic (it's atrophied ) my IQ results DO go up, does this mean my actual IQ goes up ?

even defining IQ in any meaningful way is difficult .
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Feck wrote:We did a LOT of IQ tests at University in Psychology My results varied from 120 -156 (excluding the Bitch-100 which had me as a retard) What's my IQ ? if I practice my arithmetic (it's atrophied ) my IQ results DO go up, does this mean my actual IQ goes up ?

even defining IQ in any meaningful way is difficult .
The tests could have been poorly scaled :hmmm:

Not all tests or questions measure general intelligence. Arithmetic would be a low-g question as it has a strong specific skills context to it.
The g-loading of an intelligence test is the degree to the test score reflects general mental ability, as opposed to specific skills related to the test. Most highly g-loaded tests involve some form of abstract reasoning. Therefore Spearman and others have regarded g as the perhaps genetically determined real essence of intelligence.
Why were you taking the tests? Beta testing them?
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Post by Ayaan » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:11 pm

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Ex-demon, actually, Mrs. Lak is an angel. An absolute angel. And beautiful, and smart and all that good stuff.

Not that she ever reads my posts or anything like that.
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Post by Feck » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:16 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
Feck wrote:We did a LOT of IQ tests at University in Psychology My results varied from 120 -156 (excluding the Bitch-100 which had me as a retard) What's my IQ ? if I practice my arithmetic (it's atrophied ) my IQ results DO go up, does this mean my actual IQ goes up ?

even defining IQ in any meaningful way is difficult .
The tests could have been poorly scaled :hmmm:

Not all tests or questions measure general intelligence. Arithmetic would be a low-g question as it has a strong specific skills context to it.
The g-loading of an intelligence test is the degree to the test score reflects general mental ability, as opposed to specific skills related to the test. Most highly g-loaded tests involve some form of abstract reasoning. Therefore Spearman and others have regarded g as the perhaps genetically determined real essence of intelligence.
Why were you taking the tests? Beta testing them?
Just to fill in 6hrs computer practical time each week I think :bored:
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Re: 80-foot demons, quite a problem in the US.

Post by Schneibster » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:49 am

Is Tyr playing Klueless Klucking Kracker again?
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Post by b.ternarius » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:48 am

I've a white friend who consistently tested as having an IQ of around 90 (our school cohort was tested every few years). She has an MFA, is a well known and respected craftwoman, and has owned and operated three stores selling her own product and other people's work for the past thirty years. She's also clever, funny and charming. IQ tests may be reasonably accurate on some populations, but they reek of fail in many circumstances.

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Post by Tyrannical » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:44 am

b.ternarius wrote:I've a white friend who consistently tested as having an IQ of around 90 (our school cohort was tested every few years). She has an MFA, is a well known and respected craftwoman, and has owned and operated three stores selling her own product and other people's work for the past thirty years. She's also clever, funny and charming. IQ tests may be reasonably accurate on some populations, but they reek of fail in many circumstances.
MFA? Masters in Folk Art :hmmm:

Not every task requires a high IQ, and you don't necessarily need a high IQ to be a productive member of society.
IQ however will impact the types of tasks you are able to master as well as the effort required to master a task.

How do you test if something is a valid question to test for general intelligence :hmmm:

Using statistics, you would expect certain things to hold true :prof:

Regression to the mean should hold true on average. You test high IQ parents, but on average their children should show some regression to the mean IQ for that population group. Similarly two low IQ parents should have children that have a slightly higher IQ as the progress to the mean.

There should be a positive correlation between hard and easy questions, and that correlation should hold true among different groups.
Questions that are hard (judged by percentage correct) for one group should be hard for all groups even if the groups have different success rates for increasingly difficult questions.
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