An evening without Richard Dawkins

[Schneibster]

Seth doesn't get out of the bunker much.

[Ayaan]

So, the actions of a few ignorant barbaric savages in Nigeria are to be used to condemn each and every one of the three billion or more people on earth who hold some religious belief?

Talk about ignorant barbarity.

It's 21st century christians in Nigeria burning witches - you didn't specify that it had to be Anglicans living in an upscale London suburb.

[Schneibster]

Y'know, Seth, you making up a story about how we hate religious people is amusing to troll you with for a little while, but the truth is we're tired of having it stuffed up our noses. We're also tired of people justifying stuffing it up our noses as "freedumb." So if you actually wanted to change it, you'd take that into account.

Instead you pretend we're children.

It's really quite transparent, you know, and gives what you'd probably consider uncomfortable insight into your character.

[Azathoth]

So, the actions of a few ignorant barbaric savages in Nigeria are to be used to condemn each and every one of the three billion or more people on earth who hold some religious belief?

Talk about ignorant barbarity.

It's 21st century christians in Nigeria burning witches - you didn't specify that it had to be Anglicans living in an upscale London suburb.

Although if you want london suburbs you can get that too

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/c ... k/3078.htm

[Loki]

Nobody's asking you to. They are merely asking that you fuck off and let them believe what they believe without your interference or opprobrium. It's called "tolerance" and it falls in the "my religious beliefs are none of your fucking business, asshole" category.

Irony.

coupled with this;

It's really quite transparent, you know, and gives what you'd probably consider uncomfortable insight into your character.

[Hermit]

double

[Hermit]

Seth trots out the thoroughly discredited Pascal's wager, followed by the No true christian argument. What next, I wonder? Fancy trying to widen the Gap for God again? No, wait, you did that too. How about Irreducible complexity or Modal logic?

Same old, same old.

[Animavore]

At what point does the reasoning process end and the excuses for hatred begin?

When they pretend it's all better after they supposedly stopped burning people alive.

"Supposedly?" You have some evidence that people are being burned alive by religion? Which religion? Where? Who was involved? Evidence please.

And you evidently are so intolerant that you cannot accept that religion can change and you must resort to the Wayback Machine Fallacy and go back more than a thousand years to find a reason to hate religion. Not to worry, it's a typical psychological defect of Atheists, but largely incurable sadly.

Oh we don't have to go way back at all.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/de ... heobserver

So, the actions of a few ignorant barbaric savages in Nigeria are to be used to condemn each and every one of the three billion or more people on earth who hold some religious belief?

Talk about ignorant barbarity.

Lol. Who says I hate religious people? Most of my friends are religious. One is even a creationist, a rarity in this part of the world. I don't even hate religion. I hate a lot of shite that happens because of people's unwillingness to speak out against crap done in its name out of a misplaced sense of sanctity - ie. the whole church paedophilia crisis which wracked this country, I generally just think religion is a waste of time and a bit silly. I don't walk around talking about how much I hate religion but you might catch me taking the piss out of it from time to time.
If they leave me alone I leave them alone. If they come up in my face threatening me with hell I abuse them into the ground and if something outrageous and harmful is being done I won't keep quiet for fear of being scandalised like did many Irish people up until the 90s, I'll speak up about it.
It's that simple.

[Animavore]

Fucking quote fuck up. I can't fix it on this phone.

[Ayaan]

Fucking quote fuck up. I can't fix it on this phone.

Fixed it for you. If that wasn't quite what you wanted let me know.

[Jason]

Nobody's asking you to. They are merely asking that you fuck off and let them believe what they believe without your interference or opprobrium. It's called "tolerance" and it falls in the "my religious beliefs are none of your fucking business, asshole" category.

Ah, your 'Tolerism'! The topic you broke your cherry with back at RDF. Have you been working on the tenets at all?

[Audley Strange]

It seems really really simple to me. Science cannot prove god exists. Religion cannot prove god exists. god if it existed might be able to prove it exists, but has not. Until such time that such a notational concept reveals itself it is safe to utterly dismiss the the concept ans being meaningless.

Unless religionists are right, science is wrong, and God is indeed a jealous and vengeful god, in which case you are completely fucked.

Nor is it true that science "cannot" prove god exists, or that religion "cannot" prove god exists. It may not be possible for either right now, but that's just a temporary condition.

Yeah thing is, I live in a temporal dimension too. Currently neither can prove it, thus they cannot prove it, they have trouble even pinning down what it is that being offered up as a concept so ascribing any personifications or motivations is a projection of intent onto that which we know nothing about because there is nothing to know.

I'd be quite happy to think that given all of that, neither will have the ability to prove god exists. It's an empty word, a symbol of something not there. It's the Holy Ghost.

[charlou]

You could have rational reasons for hating religion. The two (rationality and emotion) don't necessarily preclude one another.

At what point does the reasoning process end and the excuses for hatred begin?

When they pretend it's all better after they supposedly stopped burning people alive.

"Supposedly?" You have some evidence that people are being burned alive by religion? Which religion? Where? Who was involved? Evidence please.

And you evidently are so intolerant that you cannot accept that religion can change and you must resort to the Wayback Machine Fallacy and go back more than a thousand years to find a reason to hate religion. Not to worry, it's a typical psychological defect of Atheists, but largely incurable sadly.

Oh we don't have to go way back at all.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/de ... heobserver

So, the actions of a few ignorant barbaric savages in Nigeria are to be used to condemn each and every one of the three billion or more people on earth who hold some religious belief?

Talk about ignorant barbarity.

No, it's an example to condemn ... even hate ... certain aspects of religious belief.

[charlou]

Nobody's asking you to. They are merely asking that you fuck off and let them believe what they believe without your interference or opprobrium. It's called "tolerance" and it falls in the "my religious beliefs are none of your fucking business, asshole" category.

It's the business of other people when it imposes on other people, as it so often does and in so many ways.

[Hermit]

They are merely asking that you fuck off and let them believe what they believe without your interference or opprobrium. It's called "tolerance" and it falls in the "my religious beliefs are none of your fucking business, asshole" category.

"They"? You mean the ones who tell us that unless you don't subscribe to their particular brand of god you will go to hell, or just the millions of missionaries, proselytizers and evangelists who actually swarm across the globe in order to spread that pestilential message? I think it is a lot more tolerant to opine that there most probably is no god than to threaten eternal fire and brimstone and the gnashing of teeth unless you submit to Christ.