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Re: Dawkins accused of cowardice!

Post by .Morticia. » Wed May 25, 2011 4:05 pm

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How do you argue with someone whose idea of "reasonable faith" leads to a defense of genocide
Easy.

Go on the attack.

Be outraged.

Be emotional.

Take the moral high ground.


Say you are sickened and call the person defending genocide a monster. Tell him he should be ashamed of himself for stating something so sickenly evil and anti-social.

Because life isn't a reasonable debate, you aren't there to win points, you're there to win the hearts of the people listening to the debate.
Good point, but you don't need to give them the undeserved honour of a formal debate in order to do so. Saying something like "How do you argue with someone whose idea of "reasonable faith" leads to a defense of genocide, and claims that the bible is true is because an inner voice tells you so?" in any interview where the question of a debate with Lane Craig comes up, will do.

I've seen these formal debates. Generally the only ones following the 'rules' are the academics/rational people.

Nutcases use the debates as a platform to attack and proselytise and get sound bites for the future.

It's very amusing when us sciency types don't follow the rules, when we behave just like the irrationalists, first they are shocked, then they are angry.

They need us to behave in a certain way for them to follow their game plan. And us going on the attack , appealing to emotion and taking the moral high ground, and doing it first and assertively, is not what they ever expect. ;)
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Re: Dawkins accused of cowardice!

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun May 29, 2011 5:34 pm

:gran: I can tell you a story or two about men, their all brave when the sun's out and their being paid....you ask them to volunteer an opinion nowadays. :tea:

http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/news. ... ew&id=5433
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Re: Dawkins accused of cowardice!

Post by .Morticia. » Sun May 29, 2011 10:21 pm

Crumple wrote::gran: I can tell you a story or two about men, their all brave when the sun's out and their being paid....you ask them to volunteer an opinion nowadays. :tea:

http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/news. ... ew&id=5433

hmmm

Not a surprising reaction.

People should debate them but be like a politician or lawyer.

Answer the questions with a preprepared statement. Debate on your own agenda, on your own talking points. See my above statement on the tone to take. Demand yes and no answers from nut cases.

It could be enormous fun. :fall:

Of course, you'll prolly get shot by someone who doesn't agree.
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Re: Dawkins accused of cowardice!

Post by Hermit » Sun May 29, 2011 11:43 pm

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Re: Dawkins accused of cowardice!

Post by .Morticia. » Sun May 29, 2011 11:50 pm

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Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory. - Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

I hear pigeon pie is tasty

:food:

That's how I would play chess. :hehe:
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Re: Dawkins accused of cowardice!

Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon May 30, 2011 3:56 am

The real world isn't like chess. This is something the religious realize. Why do you think the pigeon owns the high ground despite its inferior reasoning capability? The reality is this is a war and in a war the board is the 65th piece. Carry on calling them fools whilst they carry on owning you....I'm a nihilist and can always play the fool if it keeps me alive. :coffee:
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Re: Dawkins accused of cowardice!

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon May 30, 2011 4:06 am

Crumple wrote:The real world isn't like chess. This is something the religious realize. Why do you think the pigeon owns the high ground despite its inferior reasoning capability? The reality is this is a war and in a war the board is the 65th piece. Carry on calling them fools whilst they carry on owning you....I'm a nihilist and can always play the fool if it keeps me alive. :coffee:
Can you please explain what pieces 33 to 64 are? :think:
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Re: Dawkins accused of cowardice!

Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon May 30, 2011 4:26 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Crumple wrote:The real world isn't like chess. This is something the religious realize. Why do you think the pigeon owns the high ground despite its inferior reasoning capability? The reality is this is a war and in a war the board is the 65th piece. Carry on calling them fools whilst they carry on owning you....I'm a nihilist and can always play the fool if it keeps me alive. :coffee:
Can you please explain what pieces 33 to 64 are? :think:
Determining the next move in the minds of the opponents. They are the hypotheticals. :smoke:
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