Could a God be the product of evolution?

[TheGreatGatsby]

Thanks!!!!

[Rob]

Denying this off-hand is quite easy to understand. Let us suppose for a second that god was the product of evolution and that there is a god. How would you know? A god that is eternal would appear no different than a god that evolved. Additionally if you say that god did evolve then you are pushing the question further back of where did the god-creators come from? Then you have to solve the new question of what is god. The evolved god would not fit our definition of god as it required something else to make it come into being.

This vaguely reminds me of metaphysics. Proposing a notion that cannot be proven to be true and if it were found out to be true would have no impact on us at all.

[TheGreatGatsby]

No, God evolved like life on earth (if god doesn't exist(. Through abiogenesis.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No, God evolved like life on earth (if god doesn't exist(. Through abiogenesis.

So when did he/she/it become God?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No, God evolved like life on earth (if god doesn't exist(. Through abiogenesis.

So when did he/she/it become God?

And who created the Universe?

[RuleBritannia]

No, God evolved like life on earth (if god doesn't exist(. Through abiogenesis.

No. A single individual cannot evolve, I've already addressed this, only groups can evolve, and the reason they do that is because the "strong" survive and the "weak" die. This would mean that the group of gods would have to be both mortal and imperfect, and thus, not gods.

[nellikin]

I think your definition of a god has to be quite different from the standard concept of an eternal, ubiquitous presence without form or limitations, with infinite powers and without start or finish to even concede that a god could evolve.

Evolution needs matter to select with. If a god is not made up of matter, it cannot evolve. Matter has boundaries, hence a god made up of matter is not ubiquitous.
Evolution implies a progression through time, usually to a species better adapted to its surroundings than that from which it evolved. If a god is eternal, it cannot have evolved.
RuleBrittania illustrated nicely the point of species as opposed to individuals evolving, which isn't a problem as long as we allow the possibility of several gods, which many religions do.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Didn't we just have somebody here who refused to be nailed down as to what they mean by "god"? DAMNFINO.

[Rob]

Sexual selection takes place in evolution. This alone should tell you about the likelihood of your idea having merit. You can't produce on traits, even all powerful ones, without a species reproducing. Unless you spread your idea of an evolving god to a pantheon of some sort it ends there. Even if you allow it to be a pantheon you run into other troubles. Like what evolutionary drive forced a creature to favor mutations to the point of being even slightly god-like? Bah, the entire idea lacks depth and character.

[RuleBritannia]

Sexual selection takes place in evolution. This alone should tell you about the likelihood of your idea having merit. You can't produce on traits, even all powerful ones, without a species reproducing. Unless you spread your idea of an evolving god to a pantheon of some sort it ends there. Even if you allow it to be a pantheon you run into other troubles. Like what evolutionary drive forced a creature to favor mutations to the point of being even slightly god-like? Bah, the entire idea lacks depth and character.

Basically everthing that is needed for natural selection to take place is missing in the "god" concept.

[TheGreatGatsby]

The universe was created by the Big Bang. Let's say there are many "Gods". One of them evolved immortality through a genetic mutation and created the earth. He is not ubiquitous but can go anywhere he pleases, has the ability to manipulate matter and monitor the movement of matter (therefore hearing our thoughts). He then created mankind and lied about having always been there and having created the universe.

[Trolldor]

And?

[TheGreatGatsby]

Well, is it possible? If it is possible Dawkins' argument about God being too complex to have come about by chance fails.

[Rob]

The universe was created by the Big Bang. Let's say there are many "Gods". One of them evolved immortality through a genetic mutation and created the earth. He is not ubiquitous but can go anywhere he pleases, has the ability to manipulate matter and monitor the movement of matter (therefore hearing our thoughts). He then created mankind and lied about having always been there and having created the universe.

I created the universe 10 seconds ago. Every idea you have had up to this point, every experience you have had were inserted there through my imagination. All the religious texts were dictated by me for my personal amusement. As of this word the universe is exactly 20 seconds old.

Can you dismiss this idea as quickly as you want to judge Dawkin's dismissal flippant?

[Trolldor]

Well, is it possible? If it is possible Dawkins' argument about God being too complex to have come about by chance fails.

Is it possible that the universe is also merely a cybernetic construct created from our mechanic overlords? That secretly we're all living in tubes?