Fuck the Catholic Church.

[mistermack]

You need MORE evidence to determine if a five year old girl should have a baby?

You're playing with words. I would need more evidence to determine if a five year old girl should have an ABORTION.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

You need MORE evidence to determine if a five year old girl should have a baby?

You're playing with words. I would need more evidence to determine if a five year old girl should have an ABORTION.
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The obverse of having an abortion for a pregnant five year old would be to have the baby. What's hard about that concept?

[mistermack]

The obverse of having an abortion for a pregnant five year old would be to have the baby. What's hard about that concept?

Well, if you said "an already pregnant five year old", then it would have been more honest and accurate.
You're not deciding if its a good or bad thing for her to get pregnant, you're deciding whether to intervene with an abortion, or not.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

The obverse of having an abortion for a pregnant five year old would be to have the baby. What's hard about that concept?

Well, if you said "an already pregnant five year old", then it would have been more honest and accurate.
You're not deciding if its a good or bad thing for her to get pregnant, you're deciding whether to intervene with an abortion, or not.
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It would help if you starting composing your answer AFTER you read what's posted.

[mistermack]

It would help if you starting composing your answer AFTER you read what's posted.

I do my best, guv.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

It would help if you starting composing your answer AFTER you read what's posted.

I do my best, guv.
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Whenever I screw up that badly I feel like a total fool.

[mistermack]

Whenever I screw up that badly I feel like a total fool.

Yeh, but you're used to it.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

Whenever I screw up that badly I feel like a total fool.

Yeh, but you're used to it.
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From you, yes.

[Trolldor]

I believe it's very clear cut.

Even presuming this happened today, the medical risk would simply be too large. Either the mother or child would lose their life, and most likely both. In this case, you have a duty to protect the life of the mother.

It's clear cut, if the EVIDENCE is clear cut. I would have said the same, before I read this. I actually have doubts about this case, even though it's presented as fact.
But if it's true, it's evidence that it wouldn't be as dangerous as you might imagine. In a modern hospital, it wouldn't be as dangerous as it was in 1939.
You'd have to examine a number of cases, and their outcomes, to declare that it was likely to kill the girl.
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Yes it fucking would be as dangerous. She's a five year old girl.
But don't let medical science get in the way.

[mistermack]

Yes it fucking would be as dangerous. She's a five year old girl.
But don't let medical science get in the way.

You seem determined to see everything as black or white, even when it obviously isn't.
Childbirth fucking IS dangerous, especially to a five year old girl, or to a fifty year old woman.
This girl was faced with two dangerous operations, an abortion or a caesarian. I don't know which was the safest, and it's pretty clear that you don't either.
It could be that caesarian was the safest option anyway, and the choice was just down to when to do it.
Like I said, I wouldn't impose my own opinions, I would leave it to the family and the doctors.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

Yes it fucking would be as dangerous. She's a five year old girl.
But don't let medical science get in the way.

You seem determined to see everything as black or white, even when it obviously isn't.
Childbirth fucking IS dangerous, especially to a five year old girl, or to a fifty year old woman.
This girl was faced with two dangerous operations, an abortion or a caesarian. I don't know which was the safest, and it's pretty clear that you don't either.
It could be that caesarian was the safest option anyway, and the choice was just down to when to do it.
Like I said, I wouldn't impose my own opinions, I would leave it to the family and the doctors.
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You have trouble distinguishing between an acorn and a full grown oak tree, don't you?

[mistermack]

You have trouble distinguishing between an acorn and a full grown oak tree, don't you?

No, sorry, wrong again. I have no trouble with that at all.

Whenever I screw up that badly I feel like a total fool.

Well, put a bit more thought into it then.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

You have trouble distinguishing between an acorn and a full grown oak tree, don't you?

No, sorry, wrong again. I have no trouble with that at all.

Sorry to break this to you, but you do.

Whenever I screw up that badly I feel like a total fool.

Well, put a bit more thought into it then.
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Why should I be held to a different standard than you?

[Coito ergo sum]

Soooooo.....the church wants to excommunicate the mother.....but, the stepfather who raped a 9 year old girl - no mention of whether he gets excommunicated....

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Soooooo.....the church wants to excommunicate the mother.....but, the stepfather who raped a 9 year old girl - no mention of whether he gets excommunicated....

As she was 9, I'm thinking he was muslim.