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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by FBM » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:17 am

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rEvolutionist wrote:That fits the definition of a mental illness, i'd think. Can't function normally in society due to his irrational fear of a number.
If that were true, then the company would be obligated to "reasonably accommodate" his disability, and give him a new number on his paycheck.

Alternatively, if he cannot function due to a mental illness, then he can apply for disability payments from Social Security. :prof:
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:45 am

JimC wrote:Given that it happened 3 times, I suspect someone in accounts had a twisted sense of humour... :twisted:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.. :hehe:
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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by cronus » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:55 am

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JimC wrote:Given that it happened 3 times, I suspect someone in accounts had a twisted sense of humour... :twisted:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.. :hehe:
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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by MrJonno » Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:17 pm

I thought the 1/3rd of angels and Lucifier rebelling had already occured after creation? hence his falling, not something that was going to happen in the future unless its a rematch.

If it is going to happen in the future then you can't trust any angels then can you as a 1/3rd would be in league with Satan.
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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by mistermack » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:12 pm

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HomerJay wrote:How do we know the guy isn't Satan hisself?
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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by Red Celt » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:04 pm

Poor guy is Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic (someone who suffers from Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia).

And by "poor guy" I mean "fucking moron", naturally.
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Post by laklak » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:45 pm

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Post by DaveDodo007 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:39 am

I thought the whole 666 was a mistranslation and the real number was 616, I blame the tower of babel builders myself.
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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by JimC » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:52 am

DaveDodo007 wrote:I thought the whole 666 was a mistranslation and the real number was 616, I blame the tower of babel builders myself.
They had piss poor maths teachers...
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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:00 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:
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rEvolutionist wrote:That fits the definition of a mental illness, i'd think. Can't function normally in society due to his irrational fear of a number.
If that were true, then the company would be obligated to "reasonably accommodate" his disability, and give him a new number on his paycheck.

Alternatively, if he cannot function due to a mental illness, then he can apply for disability payments from Social Security. :prof:
I essentially agree with this. The guy needs help. Regarding the company giving him a new number, I think the article said that the employee didn't give them a chance this time. He just quit coz he thought the devil was after him.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the company would be morally obligated to do so, but, I think he'd have a good case under American law that the company is legally obligated to reasonably accommodate him and a new number would not be unreasonable because it would not impose more than a nominal cost on the business. Unless the company could show that cutting him a new check would be costly, he would have to be accommodated.

To get disability, he'd have to get a diagnosis from a doctor, but the way they are ripping off the government treasury for disability these days, that shouldn't be too hard.

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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:09 pm

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Coito ergo sum wrote:The coolest thing about the Book of Revelation is that if it occurs in the future, then there is supposed to be an actual war in heaven where the forces of God take on the forces of Satan (Lucifer, the rebellious angel) and the 1/3 of the angels side with Satan. It is not until Revelation that Satan is cast out of heaven, which, of course, implies that Satan is still in heaven right now.

And, the Christians keep talking about "end times" and such. But, the book of revelation doesn't talk about "end times," really. There will be a lot of strife and war and such, but then at a certain point, the forces of Jesus defeat the Beast, the False Prophet and then Satan (a different personage) is "bound" up for 1,000 years, and the Kingdom of God on Earth is created. People go on for another 1,000 years living in that kingdom. Then, after the 1,000 years, Satan is let loose again for a while. Then comes the final confrontation and Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire that burns forever and ever. But, even then it's not an "end time" -- a new heaven and a new Earth arise.
Kinda sounds like Ragnarok. :{D
It does. When I was reading a lot about Norse history and mythology, I noticed that too. I wondered which story predated which, and I came to the conclusion pretty quickly that the Norse story comes after the New Testament, as far as we can tell. So, I have a sneaking suspicion that the biblical end times story bled through to the Norse culture somewhere between say 400 and 700. I don't know how old those legends are, but they were only written down very late in Norse history.

The war in heaven does seem to track the war between the Giants and the Gods, and there is a new beginning in Norse mythology where some survivors form a new world, as the old Gods pass away. Loki is "bound" for a time, and tortured with a snake dripping venom on him, etc., but then Loki is loosed for a while until the war and then dies. I forget who he fights. Maybe Fenris Wolf.

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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:11 pm

Red Celt wrote:Poor guy is Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic (someone who suffers from Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia).

And by "poor guy" I mean "fucking moron", naturally.
Well, if he really does suffer that condition, he'd be no more of a moron than any other psychological phobia sufferer. I know someone who goes into a panic attack if a dog is around, and even if it is a little miniature dog or a puppy.

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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/3 ... evelation/
4 big myths of Book of Revelation

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) – The anti-Christ. The Battle of Armageddon. The dreaded Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

You don’t have to be a student of religion to recognize references from the Book of Revelation. The last book in the Bible has fascinated readers for centuries. People who don’t even follow religion are nonetheless familiar with figures and images from Revelation.

And why not? No other New Testament book reads like Revelation. The book virtually drips with blood and reeks of sulfur. At the center of this final battle between good and evil is an action-hero-like Jesus, who is in no mood to turn the other cheek.

Elaine Pagels, one of the world’s leading biblical scholars, first read Revelation as a teenager. She read it again in writing her latest book, “Revelations: Visions, Prophecy & Politics in the Book of Revelation.”

Pagels’ book is built around a simple question: What does Revelation mean? Her answers may disturb people who see the book as a prophecy about the end of the world.

But people have clashed over the meaning of Revelation ever since it was virtually forced into the New Testament canon over the protests of some early church leaders, Pagels says.

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“There were always debates about it,” she says. “Some people said a heretic wrote it. Some said a disciple. There were always people who loved and championed it.”

The debate persists. Pagels adds to it by challenging some of the common assumptions about Revelation.

Here are what she says are four big myths about Revelation::

1. It’s about the end of the world

Anyone who has read the popular “Left Behind” novels or listened to pastors preaching about the “rapture” might see Revelation as a blow-by-blow preview of how the world will end.

Pagels, however, says the writer of Revelation was actually describing the way his own world ended.

She says the writer of Revelation may have been called John – the book is sometimes called “Book of the Revelation of Saint John the Divine” but he was not the disciple who accompanied Jesus. He was a devout Jew and mystic exiled on the island of Patmos, off the coast of present-day Greece.

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“He would have been a very simple man in his clothes and dress,” Pagels says. “He may have gone from church to church preaching his message. He seems more like a traveling preacher or a prophet.”

The author of Revelation had experienced a catastrophe. He wrote his book not long after 60,000 Roman soldiers had stormed Jerusalem in 70 A.D., burned down its great temple and left the city in ruins after putting down an armed Jewish revolt.

For some of the earliest Jewish followers of Jesus, the destruction of Jerusalem was incomprehensible. They had expected Jesus to return “with power” and conquer Rome before inaugurating a new age. But Rome had conquered Jesus’ homeland instead.

The author of Revelation was trying to encourage the followers of Jesus at a time when their world seemed doomed. Think of the Winston Churchill radio broadcasts delivered to the British during the darkest days of World War II.

Revelation was an anti-Roman tract and a piece of war propaganda wrapped in one. The message: God would return and destroy the Romans who had destroyed Jerusalem.

“His primary target is Rome,” Pagels says of the book’s author. “He really is deeply angry and grieved at the Jewish war and what happened to his people.”

2. The numerals 666 stand for the devil

The 1976 horror film “The Omen” scared a lot of folks. It may have scared some theologians, too, who began encountering people whose view of Revelation comes from a Hollywood movie.

“The Omen” depicted the birth and rise of the “anti-Christ,” the cunning son of Satan who would be known by “the mark of the beast,” 666, on his body.

Here’s the passage from Revelation that “The Omen” alluded to: “This calls for wisdom: let anyone with understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six.”

Good movies, though, don’t always make good theology. Most people think 666 stands for an anti-Christ-like figure that will deceive humanity and trigger a final battle between good and evil. Some people think he’s already here.

Pagels, however, says the writer of Revelation didn’t really intend 666 as the devil’s digits. He was describing another incarnation of evil: The Roman emperor, Nero.

The arrogant and demented Nero was particularly despised by the earliest followers of Jesus, including the writer of Revelation. Nero was said to have burned followers of Jesus alive to illuminate his garden.

But the author of Revelation couldn’t safely name Nero, so he used the Jewish numerology system to spell out Nero’s imperial name, Pagels says.

Pagels says that John may have had in mind other meanings for the mark of the beast: the imperial stamp Romans used on official documents, tattoos authorizing people to engage in Roman business, or the images of Roman emperors on stamps and coins.

Since Revelation’s author writes in “the language of dreams and nightmares,” Pagels says it’s easy for outsiders to misconstrue the book’s original meaning.

Still, they take heart from Revelation’s larger message, she writes:

“…Countless people for thousands of years have been able to see their own conflicts, fears, and hopes reflected in his prophecies. And because he speaks from his convictions about divine justice, many readers have found reassurance in his conviction that there is meaning in history – even when he does not say exactly what that meaning is – and that there is hope.”

3. The writer of Revelation was a Christian

The author of Revelation hated Rome, but he also scorned another group – a group of people we would call Christians today, Pagels says.

There’s a common perception that there was a golden age of Christianity, when most Christians agreed on an uncontaminated version of the faith. Yet there was never one agreed-upon Christianity. There were always clashing visions.

Revelation reflects some of those early clashes in the church, Pagels says.

That idea isn’t new territory for Pagels. She won the National Book Award for “The Gnostic Gospels,” a 1979 book that examined a cache of newly discovered “secret” gospels of Jesus. The book, along with other work from Pagels, argues that there were other accounts of Jesus’ life that were suppressed by early church leaders because it didn’t fit with their agenda.

The author of Revelation was like an activist crusading for traditional values. In his case, he was a devout Jew who saw Jesus as the messiah. But he didn’t like the message that the apostle Paul and other followers of Jesus were preaching.

This new message insisted that gentiles could become followers of Jesus without adopting the requirements of the Torah. It accepted women leaders, and intermarriage with gentiles, Pagels says.

The new message was a lot like what we call Christianity today.

That was too much for the author of Revelation. At one point, he calls a woman leader in an early church community a “Jezebel.” He calls one of those gentile-accepting churches a “synagogue of Satan.”

John was defending a form of Christianity that would be eclipsed by the Christians he attacked, Pagels says.

“What John of Patmos preached would have looked old-fashioned – and simply wrong to Paul’s converts…,” she writes.

The author of Revelation was a follower of Jesus, but he wasn’t what some people would call a Christian today, Pagels says.

“There’s no indication that he read Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount or that he read the gospels or Paul’s letters,” she says. “….He doesn’t even say Jesus died for your sins.”

4. There is only one Book of Revelation

There’s no other book in the Bible quite like Revelation, but there are plenty of books like Revelation that didn’t make it into the Bible, Pagels says.

Early church leaders suppressed an “astonishing” range of books that claimed to be revelations from apostles such as Peter and James. Many of these books were read and treasured by Christians throughout the Roman Empire, she says.

There was even another “Secret Revelation of John.” In this one, Jesus wasn’t a divine warrior, but someone who first appeared to the apostle Paul as a blazing light, then as a child, an old man and, some scholars say, a woman.

So why did the revelation from John of Patmos make it into the Bible, but not the others?

Pagels traces that decision largely to Bishop Athanasius, a pugnacious church leader who championed Revelation about 360 years after the death of Jesus.

Athanasius was so fiery that during his 46 years as bishop he was deposed and exiled five times. He was primarily responsible for shaping the New Testament while excluding books he labeled as hearsay, Pagels says.

Many church leaders opposed including Revelation in the New Testament. Athanasius’s predecessor said the book was “unintelligible, irrational and false.”

Athanasius, though, saw Revelation as a useful political tool. He transformed it into an attack ad against Christians who questioned him.

Rome was no longer the enemy; those who questioned church authority were the anti-Christs in Athanasius’s reading of Revelation, Pagels says.

“Athanasius interprets Revelation’s cosmic war as a vivid picture of his own crusade against heretics and reads John’s visions as a sharp warning to Christian dissidents,” she writes. “God is about to divide the saved from the damned – which now means dividing the ‘orthodox’ from ‘heretics.’ ’’

Centuries later, Revelation still divides people. Pagels calls it the strangest and most controversial book in the Bible.

Even after writing a book about it, Pagels has hardly mastered its meaning.

“The book is the hardest one in the Bible to understand,” Pagels says. “I don’t think anyone completely understands it.”

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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by Red Celt » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:59 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Red Celt wrote:Poor guy is Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobic (someone who suffers from Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia).

And by "poor guy" I mean "fucking moron", naturally.
Well, if he really does suffer that condition, he'd be no more of a moron than any other psychological phobia sufferer. I know someone who goes into a panic attack if a dog is around, and even if it is a little miniature dog or a puppy.
No. To fear that number, you must first have faith that the number actually has some significance. And that is the moronic part.
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Re: Tennessee bloke quits job over satanic wage slip

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:09 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:I wouldn't go that far.... yet. :demon:

But I know a little bit about reasonable accommodation and such. People can ask for any wacky thing as an "accommodation"... that doesn't mean the employer has to grant it.

Anyway... back to our regularly scheduled paranoid religious nutcases...
Absolutely, but the law says that employers must reasonably accommodate religious beliefs and also mental disabilities. If in the former case, this is a sincerely held religious belief, like a Jewish person that needs to violate the dress code because of Orthodox beliefs a Christian that wants to put up a cross in their cubicle (where decorations in cubicles are allowed generally), if a person just needs a slight accommodation that costs nothing, then it would be hard to argue that it is unreasonable. Of course, if the employer denies the accommodation, then it would be up to the employee to file an EEOC charge, and for silly things it's not all that likely that someone will do that.

On the mental disability side, there would have to be a medical diagnosis, but if he otherwise could perform the essential functions of their job, then they too would be entitled to reasonable accommodation.

Weirder things have been requested, and weirder things have resulted in successful court cases...

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