How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:38 pm

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fretmeister wrote:About this far...

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Mysturji » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:41 pm

Someone wrote:I respect you as a Human Being far too much to respect your ridiculous beliefs.
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Tero » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:47 pm

It's ok to make fun of religion, but sometimes religion is the same as feelings.

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by fretmeister » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:00 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:
fretmeister wrote:
fretmeister wrote:About this far...

(Not sure if it is too rude for the regular bit of the forum as it contains nudity and urination - so spoiler vision)
Trigger Warning!!!1! :
Sorry... not appropriate for here. Will be moved - link pending once it's placed in the right thread. Bella


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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Svartalf » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:03 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:If someone said "I'll pray for you" to me I'd just shrug. They might as well say, "I'll read pages 1-5 of Naughty Amelia Jane by Enid Blyton for you". I couldn't care less, not even enough to make a fuss about it. Pray for me? Knock yourself out, set to with a will!
Did Ms Blyton really write such a book? that title sounds more like it should belong on the same shelf as 'the Deeds and Corrections of Miss Penny Birch, Educatrix', than with Little Noddy and the Famous Five.
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Svartalf » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:08 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:About this much.
Women’s Prayer Group Praying That the Women at MRFF All Get Incurable Breast Cancer | This Week in C
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Feel the Christian love. A women's prayer group is praying that all the women at MRFF get incurable breast cancer. We just got this email, with the subject line
The old saying about having nothing nice to say goes double for having nothing good to pray for... Jesus would cure breast cancer, not endorse causing it... then again, he and his dad are a nice case of split personality.
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Robert_S » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:45 pm

They are perfectly entitled to pray against us since we are not persecuting them. If some day we become their enemies and persecute them then they would have to love us and pray for us!
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Bella Fortuna » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:54 pm

fretmeister wrote:
Bella Fortuna wrote:
fretmeister wrote:
fretmeister wrote:About this far...

(Not sure if it is too rude for the regular bit of the forum as it contains nudity and urination - so spoiler vision)
Trigger Warning!!!1! :
Sorry... not appropriate for here. Will be moved - link pending once it's placed in the right thread. Bella


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Sorry!
As the birthday boy I'll give you a free pass this time, but next time... the beatings start. :naughty:

I was once engaged to a girl who genuinely had a dungeon set up.

But that's a story for another day!
Just another thread! :pop: :begging: Or a PM... :biggrin:
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Thumpalumpacus » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:14 pm

When someone puts it in my face, I politely decline: "No thank you, I don't share your faith."

If they insist after that, then they have no cause to complain about my possible reply. They've already been asked to respect a boundary, and they've chosen at that point to ignore that boundary.

After a couple of minutes, they're usually looking for a polite way to back out.

But it very rarely happens, because the polite request is usually sufficient.
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Seth » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:45 am

JimC wrote:I perform a balancing act every day, teaching in a catholic school. Most of the staff I admire in a variety of ways, but their emotional dependence of their religion saddens me. I have increasingly been a little more pushy in my criticisms of the church; in terms of the hierarchy, and its pathetic reaction to the abuse of victims by priests, many of the committed catholics agree with me...
When you take the King's coin, you follow the King's rules. Does it not smack more than a little of hypocrisy for you to be taking money from the Catholic church as an employee while being an Atheist? Or does greed and situational ethics allow you to sleep well at night?
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by macdoc » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:51 am

It's a job Seth not a skydaddy calling like some swallow hook line and sinker and try to peddle to others cut the shaming crap ....it's so puerile... :coffee:

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I have zero tolerance for memes that have been proven time and again to do damage and promote divisions amongst people and even households.

Strangely enough this article just came out today
Analytical thinking erodes belief in God

Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein famously did not believe in a supernatural God, and neither do some scientists today. It now appears there may be a good reason for this: thinking analytically dims supernatural beliefs, apparently by opposing the intuitive thought processes that underpin them.

The vast majority of people believe in a supernatural god or gods, says social psychologist Ara Norenzayan of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada. Yet there are hundreds of thousands of atheists and agnostics who do not. While scientists have begun to study the psychology of belief, we know little about what causes disbelief.

Humans use two separate cognitive systems for processing information: one that is fast, emotional and intuitive, and another that is slower and more analytical.
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Seth » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:20 am

macdoc wrote:It's a job Seth not a skydaddy calling like some swallow hook line and sinker and try to peddle to others cut the shaming crap ....it's so puerile... :coffee:
I see, situational ethics it is.
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I have zero tolerance for memes that have been proven time and again to do damage and promote divisions amongst people and even households.
Interestly, I believe that the very reason that religion remains such a strong human meme is for precisely the opposite reason: that it promotes unity and assists people and populations in living together in harmony. Of course, it may be somewhat unpleasant for outsiders, but that's evolutionarily beside the point.
Strangely enough this article just came out today
Analytical thinking erodes belief in God

Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein famously did not believe in a supernatural God, and neither do some scientists today. It now appears there may be a good reason for this: thinking analytically dims supernatural beliefs, apparently by opposing the intuitive thought processes that underpin them.

The vast majority of people believe in a supernatural god or gods, says social psychologist Ara Norenzayan of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada. Yet there are hundreds of thousands of atheists and agnostics who do not. While scientists have begun to study the psychology of belief, we know little about what causes disbelief.

Humans use two separate cognitive systems for processing information: one that is fast, emotional and intuitive, and another that is slower and more analytical.
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... n-god.html
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The question is, of course, whether analytical thinking that erodes belief in God is evolutionarily beneficial or harmful. Only time will tell I suppose, but given the 6000 or so years religion has endured as a meme, I'd speculate that atheism is going to come up holding the shit end of the stick when it comes to survival of the fittest. This of course fits with my hypothesis that increasing intelligence is only evolutionarily beneficial up to a certain point, and that beyond that point it becomes highly detrimental to the species and will probably result in the destruction of at least the overly-analytical and overly-intelligent of the species in favor of the "just dumb enough" majority.

Given the relative birth rates in highly technological societies and more primitive ones, I'd say this hypothesis has some legs.
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Ian » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:27 am

Seth wrote: The question is, of course, whether analytical thinking that erodes belief in God is evolutionarily beneficial or harmful. Only time will tell I suppose, but given the 6000 or so years religion has endured as a meme, I'd speculate that atheism is going to come up holding the shit end of the stick when it comes to survival of the fittest. This of course fits with my hypothesis that increasing intelligence is only evolutionarily beneficial up to a certain point, and that beyond that point it becomes highly detrimental to the species and will probably result in the destruction of at least the overly-analytical and overly-intelligent of the species in favor of the "just dumb enough" majority.
And they say conservatives are anti-intellectual. How silly.

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Robert_S » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:32 am

Seth wrote:
JimC wrote:I perform a balancing act every day, teaching in a catholic school. Most of the staff I admire in a variety of ways, but their emotional dependence of their religion saddens me. I have increasingly been a little more pushy in my criticisms of the church; in terms of the hierarchy, and its pathetic reaction to the abuse of victims by priests, many of the committed catholics agree with me...
When you take the King's coin, you follow the King's rules. Does it not smack more than a little of hypocrisy for you to be taking money from the Catholic church as an employee while being an Atheist? Or does greed and situational ethics allow you to sleep well at night?
Does The Lord take Caesar's coin down there? That is, do the Catholic schools get taxpayer money in Australia?
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Hermit » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:54 am

Seth wrote:
JimC wrote:I perform a balancing act every day, teaching in a catholic school. Most of the staff I admire in a variety of ways, but their emotional dependence of their religion saddens me. I have increasingly been a little more pushy in my criticisms of the church; in terms of the hierarchy, and its pathetic reaction to the abuse of victims by priests, many of the committed catholics agree with me...
When you take the King's coin, you follow the King's rules. Does it not smack more than a little of hypocrisy for you to be taking money from the Catholic church as an employee while being an Atheist? Or does greed and situational ethics allow you to sleep well at night?
The King's coins in this case pay for teaching mathematics at school, and nothing more. I went to a catholic school where all the brothers knew who among the secular teachers that were contracted by the school was an atheist, and saw no ethical problem with that.
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