What is islamophobia?

Post by **Don't Panic** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:02 pm

5. Common sense.

J/k

Post by **Magicziggy** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:13 pm

Exi5tentialist wrote:
Magicziggy wrote:3. Hatred or fear of muslims or of their politics or culture

Several options in one. Lumping hatred with fear.

I can;t respond to this poll.
Interesting. I'd have said any phobia is a mix of many emotions, not just fear. I'd say there's anger in a phobia and some grief possibly, as well as fear. To reduce it to fear alone is to misrepresent it.

You have linked hatred with fear. It is transparent what you wish to achieve with this poll. People who fear islam will tick box 3 even if they dont quantify it as hatred. You dont get to say what emotions are mixed in peoples phobias. If you want meaningful data, you have to ask the right questions.

Post by **Exi5tentialist** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:47 pm

Magicziggy wrote:
Exi5tentialist wrote:
Magicziggy wrote:3. Hatred or fear of muslims or of their politics or culture

Several options in one. Lumping hatred with fear.

I can;t respond to this poll.
Interesting. I'd have said any phobia is a mix of many emotions, not just fear. I'd say there's anger in a phobia and some grief possibly, as well as fear. To reduce it to fear alone is to misrepresent it.
You have linked hatred with fear. It is transparent what you wish to achieve with this poll. People who fear islam will tick box 3 even if they dont quantify it as hatred. You dont get to say what emotions are mixed in peoples phobias. If you want meaningful data, you have to ask the right questions.

So are you saying you think a phobia consists solely of fear?

Post by **Magicziggy** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:53 pm

Exi5tentialist wrote:
Magicziggy wrote:
Exi5tentialist wrote:
Magicziggy wrote:3. Hatred or fear of muslims or of their politics or culture

Several options in one. Lumping hatred with fear.

I can;t respond to this poll.
Interesting. I'd have said any phobia is a mix of many emotions, not just fear. I'd say there's anger in a phobia and some grief possibly, as well as fear. To reduce it to fear alone is to misrepresent it.
You have linked hatred with fear. It is transparent what you wish to achieve with this poll. People who fear islam will tick box 3 even if they dont quantify it as hatred. You dont get to say what emotions are mixed in peoples phobias. If you want meaningful data, you have to ask the right questions.
So are you saying you think a phobia consists solely of fear?

Either you want to know what I think it is for me, or you want to know what the dictionary definition of a phobia is. You don't need a poll for the latter.

Post by **Exi5tentialist** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:01 pm

Magicziggy wrote:Either you want to know what I think it is for me, or you want to know what the dictionary definition of a phobia is. You don't need a poll for the latter.

Everyone can define it how they like, I really don't mind. People's reasons for limiting the word or defining it more broadly become apparent when you ask them follow-up questions. I'm just telling you what my opinion is when it becomes clear that somebody has a phobia. Of course I'd love it if everyone adopted my view of the world (or I like to think I would love it) but I'm not in a position to impose my view, and you are entitled to yours.

Post by **Magicziggy** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:11 pm

I'm from a mixed background. Catholic/Muslim.

Offspring are atheist although my sister has started making weird noises and is an RE teacher in Scotland. It's more the comparaitve study of culture that interests her though I guess.

I fear Islam because a small section appears to have an violent agenda and this is capable of of spreading throughout the islamic world imo. I don;t fear Catholicism because it does not threaten my existance. Islam engenders fear, and I am not immune. Catholicism engenders derision and not much else. I don't hate Muslims. My family on my fathers side are mostly muslim. They are ordinary people. Dig down and they are as fundamental as any other Muslim.

Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:08 pm

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Post by **Feck** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:34 pm

I'm not sure it's correct to call even a rabid hatred of all things Allah a phobia .......It might be called a phobia if you shat your pants at the sight of a minaret or were frozen by fear at the sight of a headscarf .... But since most of them want to kill me ,my friends and my dog it's not irrational is it and it's not a fear !

Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:38 pm

Feck wrote:I'm not sure it's correct to call even a rabid hatred of all things Allah a phobia .......It might be called a phobia if you shat your pants at the sight of a minaret or were frozen by fear at the sight of a headscarf .... But since most of them want to kill me ,my friends and my dog it's not irrational is it and it's not a fear !

Post by **Exi5tentialist** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:56 pm

Feck wrote:I'm not sure it's correct to call even a rabid hatred of all things Allah a phobia .......It might be called a phobia if you shat your pants at the sight of a minaret or were frozen by fear at the sight of a headscarf .... But since most of them want to kill me ,my friends and my dog it's not irrational is it and it's not a fear !

Most of them? Bit of a persecution complex, maybe?

Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:59 pm

Exi5tentialist wrote:
Feck wrote:I'm not sure it's correct to call even a rabid hatred of all things Allah a phobia .......It might be called a phobia if you shat your pants at the sight of a minaret or were frozen by fear at the sight of a headscarf .... But since most of them want to kill me ,my friends and my dog it's not irrational is it and it's not a fear !
Most of them? Bit of a persecution complex, maybe?

The Bad Driver subset of Drivers is the dangerous group.

Post by **Seth** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:13 pm

Number 3 is incorrect because it does not specify "irrational" fear. Hatred or fear of Muslims may be perfectly rational and reasonable, and in many cases it is.

Post by **Seth** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:20 pm

Magicziggy wrote:I'm from a mixed background. Catholic/Muslim.

Offspring are atheist although my sister has started making weird noises and is an RE teacher in Scotland. It's more the comparaitve study of culture that interests her though I guess.

I fear Islam because a small section appears to have an violent agenda and this is capable of of spreading throughout the islamic world imo. I don;t fear Catholicism because it does not threaten my existance. Islam engenders fear, and I am not immune. Catholicism engenders derision and not much else. I don't hate Muslims. My family on my fathers side are mostly muslim. They are ordinary people. Dig down and they are as fundamental as any other Muslim.

Moreover, Islam, as handed down by Mohammed, is an inherently violent and imperialistic religion/social model. Muslims who purport to eschew the violent and imperialistic aspects of Islam are actually apostates whom Mohammed would happily kill. He was extremely clear about his intentions for the infidels and the rest of the world, and it only included "peaceable" relations if the infidels submitted totally to the Islamic Caliphate under Dhimmitude.

So, anybody who claims that Islam is a "peaceful" religion that just "wants to get along" with everyone else is a bald-faced liar. And it's important to note that Mohammed addressed this issue and tells the faithful that it's perfectly okay to lie to infidels at every turn.

Post by **Feck** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:20 pm

Exi5tentialist wrote:
Feck wrote:I'm not sure it's correct to call even a rabid hatred of all things Allah a phobia .......It might be called a phobia if you shat your pants at the sight of a minaret or were frozen by fear at the sight of a headscarf .... But since most of them want to kill me ,my friends and my dog it's not irrational is it and it's not a fear !
Most of them? Bit of a persecution complex, maybe?

Do you know anyone who has just been driven out of their country because they are not Muslim? do you know anybody who has had their dogs killed AGAIN because the local authority pays Rag Heads to put strychnine in meat and feed it to ALL the local dogs ? Well I do ! so forgive me for making generalisations . Happily I don't feel persecuted and I don't have a phobia . But not liking Muslims may not be a phobia or a persecution complex . Now go enforce someone else's political correctness not mine ! Or try reading the Koran .

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