Could a God be the product of evolution?

[TheGreatGatsby]

I am here and here is the full quote:

If (which I don't believe for a moment) our universe was designed, and afortiori if the designer reads OUr thoughts and hands out omniscient
advice, forgiveness and redemption, the designer himself must be the end product of some kind of cumulative escalator or crane, perhaps a version of Darwinism in another universe.

I agree with Dawkins on almost everything he says in the book. The only problem I have is this.

[RuleBritannia]

I am here and here is the full quote:

If (which I don't believe for a moment) our universe was designed, and afortiori if the designer reads OUr thoughts and hands out omniscient
advice, forgiveness and redemption, the designer himself must be the end product of some kind of cumulative escalator or crane, perhaps a version of Darwinism in another universe.

I agree with Dawkins on almost everything he says in the book. The only problem I have is this.

What about it don't you agree with? How's it wrong?

[TheGreatGatsby]

It seems to me he rejects the possibility without any explanation

[RuleBritannia]

It seems to me he rejects the possibility without any explanation

No he doesn't, he says he doesn't believe it, not that it's impossible, in fact he says the opposite of it being impossible.

[TheGreatGatsby]

Well, why doesn't he believe it? Why don't YOU believe it?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It seems to me he rejects the possibility without any explanation

No he doesn't, he says he doesn't believe it, not that it's impossible, in fact he says the opposite of it being impossible.

I'm wondering TGG has actually read TGD.

[RuleBritannia]

Well, why doesn't he believe it? Why don't YOU believe it?

There's no reason to.

[TheGreatGatsby]

My problem with the chapter about god's nonexistence was that it relied on the ultimate boing 747 argument which doesn't apply to a god that evolved. He mentioned the possibility and moved on as if it never happened. Why is it improbable for God to be the product of darwinian evolution?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Well, why doesn't he believe it? Why don't YOU believe it?

Better question is "why do you believe"? The default position is disbelief. Deviate from that and an explanation is needed.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

My problem with the chapter about god's nonexistence was that it relied on the ultimate boing 747 argument which doesn't apply to a god that evolved. He mentioned the possibility and moved on as if it never happened. Why is it improbable for God to be the product of darwinian evolution?

You're getting ahead of yourself. You haven't shown that a "god" could evolve in the first place.

[TheGreatGatsby]

I understand that the default position is disbelief. But, if God evolved, the "ultimate boing 747" argument fails. Is there an argument against an evolved god?

[TheGreatGatsby]

Well, through natural selection. Imagine a planet like ours with intelligent beings. They evolved the power to manipulate matter as it aids their survival. Sort of like Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen. One of these beings could easily create a planet, let an intelligent species evolve, and then start talking to them.

[RuleBritannia]

My problem with the chapter about god's nonexistence was that it relied on the ultimate boing 747 argument which doesn't apply to a god that evolved. He mentioned the possibility and moved on as if it never happened. Why is it improbable for God to be the product of darwinian evolution?

So what you're saying is: "god is possible, therefore god exists", this is completely moronic thinking. Dawkins clearly says that if a god exists it must have came from simpilar beginnings (evolved), he also says he doesn't beleive there are any gods. Why doesn't he believe? Because there's no evidence for any gods, there's no reason to believe.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I understand that the default position is disbelief.

Then don't skip the proof part. No short-cuts. Show your work.

[RuleBritannia]

Well, through natural selection. Imagine a planet like ours with intelligent beings. They evolved the power to manipulate matter as it aids their survival. Sort of like Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen. One of these beings could easily create a planet, let an intelligent species evolve, and then start talking to them.

Dawkins doesn't deny this.