Are People Who Believe in God Stupid?

[Coito ergo sum]

Coito, what I believe in doesn't interevene in the universe. It is the universe. The universe is conscious.

That's more pantheist than panentheist. Pantheism is "the universe is god." Panentheism is "the universe is 'in' god." As such, it's not very goddish in the theistic sense of the world. Both of these things are more like "The Force" than a god. May the Farce, err...I mean Force be with you.... call it a god all you want - I know what you mean. It's just a sort of god that is not like the way that term is defined in common English usage. So, it can be confusing until one gets a handle on exactly what you mean when you say "god."

We need to be mindful that when you say "god," you don't mean a "god" like Yahweh or Allah - you mean The Force.

[Feck]

Kabbalists and Gnostics it's still a bunch of hippy Woo even if it does have some history .

So let them be happy in their woo. You never know, they might help you out if you're in a spot of bother. Just be nice to people, regardless of their beliefs.

Some of my best friends are steeped in woo ,I like woo myself .BUT you hit this forum with 'All atheists are dumb...all atheists think like this etc etc '

Then you have the gall to tell me to be nice to people whatever their beliefs . Not only are you being a hypocrite but you seem to have forgotten I tried being nice to YOU , many of us here did . Now I will make the same offer I did before - Stop being an annoying troll join this forum/community and learn that humour is not just being rude and aggressive to people you don't know and don't want to.

[Chuck Jones]

In monotheistic religions, god is god. That means that I could tell a christian that god is one thing, and instead of saying "that's your god. Our god is not like that", they'll say "no, god is like this...". So in those religions, they don't believe in one god over others, they just believe in one god. When I say god, I mean god, and when someone in one of those religions says it, they mean the same. And if you ask a muslim if god is the same god of christianity they'll say yes, and vice versa. Yahweh is Allah. Attributing different characteristics to god doesn't mean it's a different god, it just means disagreement on the same god's attibutes.

The difference between me and most people in religions is that whereas they would believe that god created the universe out of nothing, and is separate from it, I believe that the universe can be likened to the material body of god, and god is the mind of the universe. In panentheism, god is simultaneously both the universe, and also that which causes the universe to manifest. Also, in panentheism, god doesn't need to intervene in the universe since god is the universe. If you think about it, being the creator of something must necessarily mean being the thing created.






Feck, sorry mate. Let's put it all behind us.

[DawkBoy]

In monotheistic religions, god is god. That means that I could tell a christian that god is one thing, and instead of saying "that's your god. Our god is not like that", they'll say "no, god is like this...". So in those religions, they don't believe in one god over others, they just believe in one god. When I say god, I mean god, and when someone in one of those religions says it, they mean the same. And if you ask a muslim if god is the same god of christianity they'll say yes, and vice versa. Yahweh is Allah. Attributing different characteristics to god doesn't mean it's a different god, it just means disagreement on the same god's attibutes.

The difference between me and most people in religions is that whereas they would believe that god created the universe out of nothing, and is separate from it, I believe that the universe can be likened to the material body of god, and god is the mind of the universe. In panentheism, god is simultaneously both the universe, and also that which causes the universe to manifest. Also, in panentheism, god doesn't need to intervene in the universe since god is the universe. If you think about it, being the creator of something must necessarily mean being the thing created.

Proof, boy. Where's the proof?

[Coito ergo sum]

Kabbalists and Gnostics it's still a bunch of hippy Woo even if it does have some history .

So let them be happy in their woo. You never know, they might help you out if you're in a spot of bother. Just be nice to people, regardless of their beliefs.

Some of my best friends are steeped in woo ,I like woo myself .BUT you hit this forum with 'All atheists are dumb...all atheists think like this etc etc '

Then you have the gall to tell me to be nice to people whatever their beliefs . Not only are you being a hypocrite but you seem to have forgotten I tried being nice to YOU , many of us here did . Now I will make the same offer I did before - Stop being an annoying troll join this forum/community and learn that humour is not just being rude and aggressive to people you don't know and don't want to.

Shouldn't he just be banned for all his personal attacks?

[Chuck Jones]

In monotheistic religions, god is god. That means that I could tell a christian that god is one thing, and instead of saying "that's your god. Our god is not like that", they'll say "no, god is like this...". So in those religions, they don't believe in one god over others, they just believe in one god. When I say god, I mean god, and when someone in one of those religions says it, they mean the same. And if you ask a muslim if god is the same god of christianity they'll say yes, and vice versa. Yahweh is Allah. Attributing different characteristics to god doesn't mean it's a different god, it just means disagreement on the same god's attibutes.

The difference between me and most people in religions is that whereas they would believe that god created the universe out of nothing, and is separate from it, I believe that the universe can be likened to the material body of god, and god is the mind of the universe. In panentheism, god is simultaneously both the universe, and also that which causes the universe to manifest. Also, in panentheism, god doesn't need to intervene in the universe since god is the universe. If you think about it, being the creator of something must necessarily mean being the thing created.

Proof, boy. Where's the proof?

Proof, boy. Where's the proof?

[DawkBoy]

In monotheistic religions, god is god. That means that I could tell a christian that god is one thing, and instead of saying "that's your god. Our god is not like that", they'll say "no, god is like this...". So in those religions, they don't believe in one god over others, they just believe in one god. When I say god, I mean god, and when someone in one of those religions says it, they mean the same. And if you ask a muslim if god is the same god of christianity they'll say yes, and vice versa. Yahweh is Allah. Attributing different characteristics to god doesn't mean it's a different god, it just means disagreement on the same god's attibutes.

The difference between me and most people in religions is that whereas they would believe that god created the universe out of nothing, and is separate from it, I believe that the universe can be likened to the material body of god, and god is the mind of the universe. In panentheism, god is simultaneously both the universe, and also that which causes the universe to manifest. Also, in panentheism, god doesn't need to intervene in the universe since god is the universe. If you think about it, being the creator of something must necessarily mean being the thing created.

Proof, boy. Where's the proof?

Proof, boy. Where's the proof?

It's hard to decide whether the offensive rubbish you come out with or the gibberish about religion is more laughable.

[Coito ergo sum]

In monotheistic religions, god is god. That means that I could tell a christian that god is one thing, and instead of saying "that's your god. Our god is not like that", they'll say "no, god is like this...". So in those religions, they don't believe in one god over others, they just believe in one god. When I say god, I mean god, and when someone in one of those religions says it, they mean the same. And if you ask a muslim if god is the same god of christianity they'll say yes, and vice versa. Yahweh is Allah. Attributing different characteristics to god doesn't mean it's a different god, it just means disagreement on the same god's attibutes.

...that's because Christians think there is only one god, and the rest have it wrong, and Muslims believe in one god and the rest have it wrong. Yes. It's like saying "I believe in One God, the Brother Almighty, Housekeeper of Heaven and Earth, With A Priapic Phallus." Is that "the same god, but a different idea of what he's like" or a "different god?" It's just semantics. I'm describing something different than "God the father almighty, maker of heaven and Earth..."

The difference between me and most people in religions is that whereas they would believe that god created the universe out of nothing, and is separate from it, I believe that the universe can be likened to the material body of god, and god is the mind of the universe. In panentheism, god is simultaneously both the universe, and also that which causes the universe to manifest. Also, in panentheism, god doesn't need to intervene in the universe since god is the universe. If you think about it, being the creator of something must necessarily mean being the thing created.

Fair enough - sounds like the Force.

But, I don't think that being the creator of something must necessarily mean being the thing created. I make a pie for dessert - doesn't make me the pie.





Feck, sorry mate. Let's put it all behind us.

[Chuck Jones]

In monotheistic religions, god is god. That means that I could tell a christian that god is one thing, and instead of saying "that's your god. Our god is not like that", they'll say "no, god is like this...". So in those religions, they don't believe in one god over others, they just believe in one god. When I say god, I mean god, and when someone in one of those religions says it, they mean the same. And if you ask a muslim if god is the same god of christianity they'll say yes, and vice versa. Yahweh is Allah. Attributing different characteristics to god doesn't mean it's a different god, it just means disagreement on the same god's attibutes.

The difference between me and most people in religions is that whereas they would believe that god created the universe out of nothing, and is separate from it, I believe that the universe can be likened to the material body of god, and god is the mind of the universe. In panentheism, god is simultaneously both the universe, and also that which causes the universe to manifest. Also, in panentheism, god doesn't need to intervene in the universe since god is the universe. If you think about it, being the creator of something must necessarily mean being the thing created.

Proof, boy. Where's the proof?

Proof, boy. Where's the proof?

It's hard to decide whether the offensive rubbish you come out with or the gibberish about religion is more laughable.

It's hard to decide whether the offensive rubbish you come out with or the gibberish about religion is more laughable.

[Feck]

It doesn't need any proof that's why it's a beautiful idea , it's just an idea not really a FAITH and as such is mostly harmless .

asking for PROOF of Panentheism is like asking for proof about the position and properties of a particular electron .
@ CES Well if Chuck stops making them there won't be a need to ban him will there ?otherwise he keeps incurring time outs and they will start to get longer and more inconvenient .

[Chuck Jones]

Feck, I think there's a part of you that wants to be my buddy. That's why you're so hurt and upset when I treat you bad. Let's start a thread, you and me, and in that thread we'll show this lot how little time it takes for an atheist and a theist to become the best of friends. Or we can just do it in the Nice Chuck thread. It's your call, buddy.

[Feck]

Feck, I think there's a part of you that wants to be my buddy. That's why you're so hurt and upset when I treat you bad. Let's start a thread, you and me, and in that thread we'll show this lot how little time it takes for an atheist and a theist to become the best of friends. Or we can just do it in the Nice Chuck thread. It's your call, buddy.

PM me some real stuff about yourself .

[Chuck Jones]

What for?

[DawkBoy]

What for?

I was right. People who believe in God ARE stupid.

[Feck]

What for?

show of good 'faith'