Muslims believe in sharia law.

[Hermit]

Hermit, those figures are still pretty damning.

Fucking horrible, in fact. If you are looking for an argument about that, try someone else.

What I am arguing against is the implication in Blind groper's post that because most Muslims in most countries believe that sharia is the revealed word of Allah and must be followed literally, that percentage of Muslims is in favour of the death penalty for apostasy. I regard that as a gross abuse of statistics. Piscator did something very similar when he claimed that "74% of all Muslims polled think death is the proper punishment for renouncing Islam." He came up with this extraordinarily baseless assertion while coincidentally linking the very same study as Blind groper as the supposed source.

There are many other instances of brazen abuse of statistics - sometimes to the point of straight out lying - made on all sorts of topics and I am getting a bit sick of this shit.

I'm about 74% sick of you, but I realize that if you ever met me in person, you'd have a sweeter tone in your fucking mouth. So I let it pass.

You're probably drunk anyway.

I'd be happy to tell you to your face that you came up with this extraordinarily baseless assertion while coincidentally linking the very same study as Blind groper as the supposed source.

And with that I'll open my first bottle of beer for the day. It's just gone a few minutes past 5 pm.

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, I agree that there's a problem with Muslim non-enlightenment. My post was to point out to BG that "sharia" isn't simply the media's version of the rabid maniacs and their beliefs. It's interpretive, like most religious bollocks.

The data is in a nice healthy shade of green.

Yeah, but Sharia to a Turk probably means something considerably different to a Talibani.

[piscator]

Hermit, those figures are still pretty damning.

Fucking horrible, in fact. If you are looking for an argument about that, try someone else.

What I am arguing against is the implication in Blind groper's post that because most Muslims in most countries believe that sharia is the revealed word of Allah and must be followed literally, that percentage of Muslims is in favour of the death penalty for apostasy. I regard that as a gross abuse of statistics. Piscator did something very similar when he claimed that "74% of all Muslims polled think death is the proper punishment for renouncing Islam." He came up with this extraordinarily baseless assertion while coincidentally linking the very same study as Blind groper as the supposed source.

There are many other instances of brazen abuse of statistics - sometimes to the point of straight out lying - made on all sorts of topics and I am getting a bit sick of this shit.

I'm about 74% sick of you, but I realize that if you ever met me in person, you'd have a sweeter tone in your fucking mouth. So I let it pass.

You're probably drunk anyway.

I'd be happy to tell you to your face that you came up with this extraordinarily baseless assertion while coincidentally linking the very same study as Blind groper as the supposed source.

And with that I'll open my first bottle of beer for the day. It's just gone a few minutes past 5 pm.

I bet you're not nearly as "Sick" now, are ya?

I didn't link the same study as BG, you fucking ESL betarace comet of shit, BG linked the same survey as I, only months later. If you don't grasp that distinction by this point, I'll require a fee to continue.



Fact is, 100% of all Muslims are quite in favor of the death penalty for apostasy, ipso facto. Executed by a man or by the grace of Allah. They're OK with burning in Hell for a long time after that, too.





ProTip: Call me a "Liar" halfcocked like that again, and I'll fly business class to Australia to drown your punk ass in your own fucking toilet.

[pErvinalia]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

[pErvinalia]

and I'll fly business class to Australia...

Pussy.

[piscator]

and I'll fly business class to Australia...

Pussy.

Love it! Thanks for reminding me of that, though. I'll eat his cat before I leave.

[Hermit]

I bet you're not nearly as "Sick" now, are ya?

I didn't link the same study as BG, you fucking ESL betarace comet of shit, BG linked the same survey as I, only months later. If you don't grasp that distinction by this point, I'll require a fee to continue.



Fact is, 100% of all Muslims are quite in favor of the death penalty for apostasy, ipso facto. Executed by a man or by the grace of Allah. They're OK with burning in Hell for a long time after that, too.





ProTip: Call me a "Liar" halfcocked like that again, and I'll fly business class to Australia to drown your punk ass in your own fucking toilet.

[JimC]

piscator wrote:

Fact is, 100% of all Muslims are quite in favor of the death penalty for apostasy, ipso facto. Executed by a man or by the grace of Allah. They're OK with burning in Hell for a long time after that, too.

Now, you should have realised by now that I'm a bloke with a deep distrust of islam, and I think that one cannot analyse the terrorist threat without realising that the nature of islam is part of the problem.

However, that is a fucking absurd statement, and you know it. Moderate islam does exist, and it would repudiate that particular interpretation.

In some geographic regions, the % that do agree with such a death penalty is quite high enough to be of real concern, without the need for absurd exaggeration...

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, and who cares what they think happens after you die? They can think what they like about that. The only relevant part to the rest of us is whether they think they should take the execution of apostates into their own hands.

[JimC]

Yeah, and who cares what they think happens after you die? They can think what they like about that. The only relevant part to the rest of us is whether they think they should take the execution of apostates into their own hands.

Enough do for it to be a worry...

[Seth]

Scumple wrote:

Same with The Bible. Full of dangerous clap-trap.

It is indeed, but the vast majority of christians merely give it lip service, and moreover largely live in secular societies whose laws and evolving social ethics largely trump any attempt by christianity to re-assert its earlier position of power; a toothless tiger, in the main, although the American fundies keep trying, bless their little pointy heads...

Not so with Islam; it never had the equivalent of an enlightenment, and it is far from toothless. A factor making it more deadly is it easily links itself to widespread resentment of the west deriving from economic and political reasons, plus having a perverse appeal to intelligent but disenfranchised youth.

Sure would be nice if you jackasses could figure out the distinction between "the bible" and the old and new testaments. They are not at all the same thing.

Christians include both in their "Good Book". !

So what? Where the Old Testament and the New Testament conflict (as in stoning adulterers, etc.) the New Testament modifies the rules for Christians. Note the word "Christ" in "Christian"? New Testament Christianity and Old Testament Judaism are not the same thing.

[piscator]

piscator wrote:

Fact is, 100% of all Muslims are quite in favor of the death penalty for apostasy, ipso facto. Executed by a man or by the grace of Allah. They're OK with burning in Hell for a long time after that, too.

Now, you should have realised by now that I'm a bloke with a deep distrust of islam, and I think that one cannot analyse the terrorist threat without realising that the nature of islam is part of the problem.

However, that is a fucking absurd statement, and you know it. Moderate islam does exist, and it would repudiate that particular interpretation.

In some geographic regions, the % that do agree with such a death penalty is quite high enough to be of real concern, without the need for absurd exaggeration...

Multiply results by population. 1 Egypt=Many Albanmian Muslim population. Draws it down to something like 40% worldwide, 400,000,000 Muslims, feel confident enough to blat that shit out to a stranger taking a poll.


Moderate Islam hasn't leg to stand on that's not secular. Scripture says Allah does not forgive apostasy. Where does a Muslim get license to allow apostasy to pass?


"Surely, those who disbelieve and did wrong; God will not forgive them, nor will He guide them to any way except the way of Hell, to dwell therein forever." (Quran 4:168-169)

"Know they not that whoever opposes God and His Messenger (Muhammad), certainly for him will be the Fire of Hell to abide therein? That is the extreme disgrace." (Quran 9:63)

[Animavore]

Scumple wrote:

Same with The Bible. Full of dangerous clap-trap.

It is indeed, but the vast majority of christians merely give it lip service, and moreover largely live in secular societies whose laws and evolving social ethics largely trump any attempt by christianity to re-assert its earlier position of power; a toothless tiger, in the main, although the American fundies keep trying, bless their little pointy heads...

Not so with Islam; it never had the equivalent of an enlightenment, and it is far from toothless. A factor making it more deadly is it easily links itself to widespread resentment of the west deriving from economic and political reasons, plus having a perverse appeal to intelligent but disenfranchised youth.

Sure would be nice if you jackasses could figure out the distinction between "the bible" and the old and new testaments. They are not at all the same thing.

Christians include both in their "Good Book". !

So what? Where the Old Testament and the New Testament conflict (as in stoning adulterers, etc.) the New Testament modifies the rules for Christians. Note the word "Christ" in "Christian"? New Testament Christianity and Old Testament Judaism are not the same thing.

Jesus said, “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19

“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)

Jesus, by his own words, did not mean for the old laws to be overturned.

[Seth]

Jesus, by his own words, did not mean for the old laws to be overturned.

Which law are you talking about? Which law was Jesus talking about? Be specific.

[Animavore]

Jesus, by his own words, did not mean for the old laws to be overturned.

Which law are you talking about? Which law was Jesus talking about? Be specific.

No.