cowiz wrote:Show off intermellectualFBM wrote:Very much so. And Taoist.cowiz wrote:Sounds a bit Buddhist
In Calvinism, wealth is a sure sign of God's blessing.
As for humility, modesty, etc, I don't know about anyone else, but I have a viseral negative reaction to show-offs, arrogant people, narcissistic people in general. It's not rational, though I could probably rationalize something ad hoc to 'explain' it (read: pull something out of my ass that sounds good).
Do you really see these values as being religious in origin? I don't.Rum wrote:...there are some perhaps slightly more philosophical or esoteric values and virtues which we tend to think of as religious in origin. ...
Examples include the view that all personal ambition is ultimately about vanity and brings no happiness. That material wealth is empty and of no real intrinsic value. That modesty, quietness and internal peace are to be admired and aspired to.
And others of a similar type, which seem mostly to be around the notion that focusing on the personal ego does not ultimately bring happiness or contentment.
I wonder how these ideas fit with you as an atheist - or near atheist.
Money might not be able to buy happiness, but it can sure as hell buy relief from anxiety, depression, poor health, and want.Rum wrote:I tend to agree with Psycho. It is simply an observable fact that money does not bring happiness and success doesn't bring satisfaction (for example) in all cases, perhaps in the majority. We are all still faced with the human condition - that mortality is our fate and ambition of any kind in the face of that fact is futile. In which case, without the asceticism of religion, the goals offered by self sacrifice and mortification, we are fucked.
That's OK though, whoever said we were meant NOT to be fucked - its still an amazing ride!
Funny how a guy who railed against how the church went after money said that wealth is proof of being blessed... ergo, the church being obscenely wealthy and its Princes enjoying it as much as secular lords was proof that the Church enjoyed divine favor.FBM wrote:Very much so. And Taoist.cowiz wrote:Sounds a bit Buddhist
In Calvinism, wealth is a sure sign of God's blessing.
As for humility, modesty, etc, I don't know about anyone else, but I have a viseral negative reaction to show-offs, arrogant people, narcissistic people in general. It's not rational, though I could probably rationalize something ad hoc to 'explain' it (read: pull something out of my ass that sounds good).
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