How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Hermit » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:05 am

rachelbean wrote:I'm not sure the title of the thread matches the question asked inside. I have less than no respect for religion but I have respect for many people who happen to be religious and I don't feel it's my job to instruct them or criticize in any way. I have a few people (including my parents) on Facebook that I have in a filtered list so they don't get my atheist or evolution posts, not because I'm ashamed of those beliefs but because I know the info won't change their minds and I try and think how I feel about seeing religious posts.

That being said, if someone posts something bigoted I have no problem saying exactly what I think about it. I don't pick fights but I am up front about my beliefs or lack thereof and I try and be as civil and kind as possible, which hopefully gives some people a positive view of atheists :mrgreen:
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by JimC » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:12 am

I perform a balancing act every day, teaching in a catholic school. Most of the staff I admire in a variety of ways, but their emotional dependence of their religion saddens me. I have increasingly been a little more pushy in my criticisms of the church; in terms of the hierarchy, and its pathetic reaction to the abuse of victims by priests, many of the committed catholics agree with me...
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Robert_S » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:13 am

As you pointed out in the earlier thread Rum, the guy is posting religious stuff out in public on FB. To me that makes it fair game for arguement unless it is something like "God bless you" or "May the Good Lord look after you in your time of trouble" or some other expression that is primarily a statement of good will with some religious stuff in the mix.

I've lots of religious friends and the last thing I want is for them to treat me in some kind of PC way. I imagine some people might want the world to be rid of atheistically incorrect expressions, but I've seen a little further down that road and it was painful to me.

Of course you can always refer to that bit in the sixth chapter of Matthew right before the Lord's Prayer...
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Ronja » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:31 am

Good point, Robert. One easy stock comment to people who flaunt how pious xians they are could be "Whatever happened to Matthew 6?" I may be biased, though, 'cause those few of my relatives and acquaintances who are devout do follow Matthew 6 quite closely.

I don't mind what people believe or discuss in private. But publishing opinions to the whole Internet (or a large subset thereof) does indeed make one fair game for tolerably polite questions as a minimum, IMO.

Presenting expert opinions about religion's important role in (public) (primary) schools to our parliament, among others, and then turning up to teach my kids buys you stronger scrutiny still, of course.
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by fretmeister » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:23 am

I never start anything. I'm reactive to stupidity and I don't go out of my way looking for stupidity to challenge it.

But if someone says something stupid / bigotted then I take that as a declaration of war. They get both barrels, the grenades and the underslung flamethrower.
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by amused » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:53 am

Religion deserves nothing but total destruction, so I'd take my lack of respect for it pretty far. People who are muddled with it, not so much.

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Santa_Claus » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:37 am

If someone is waving the woo, then fair game to get both barrels (as much as the freindship can stand, if you are bothered about it continuing).....win or lose the argument is irrelevnet - being on the battlefield is all that counts, and for Atheists is a victory in itself. The most can ever hope to gain is reminding them (and others) that there be folks who disagree / think their beliefs are nonsense.....for some that may come as a revelation!

Apart from that, why care? Stupid is as stupid does.
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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Tyrannical » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:17 pm

Ronja wrote:Good point, Robert. One easy stock comment to people who flaunt how pious xians they are could be "Whatever happened to Matthew 6?" I may be biased, though, 'cause those few of my relatives and acquaintances who are devout do follow Matthew 6 quite closely.

I don't mind what people believe or discuss in private. But publishing opinions to the whole Internet (or a large subset thereof) does indeed make one fair game for tolerably polite questions as a minimum, IMO.

Presenting expert opinions about religion's important role in (public) (primary) schools to our parliament, among others, and then turning up to teach my kids buys you stronger scrutiny still, of course.
While some people may argue that most wars were started over religious beliefs, I think a more enlightened view might be that Man needs only avarice as an excuse for war. Religion was often the moral justification rather than the driving force.

Irregardless if you believe or disbelieve, religion as espoused by venerated early believers are generally good societal examples on how to behave. Humility, self-denial, sacrifice, and charity are all good behaviors that can lead to a pleasant and strong society. Teaching that virtue is it's own reward, or that Hell awaits the transgressors are useful tools in getting the less pious to behave.

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

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About this far...

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by macdoc » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:10 pm

Humility, self-denial, sacrifice, and charity are all good behaviors that can lead to a pleasant and strong society.
those are self delusion and simply a way to control the masses. Behave and you'll go to heaven.
Even the Amish and Buddhists are not particularly peaceable.

It's a tired meme with violent consequences.... Imagine.

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Tyrannical » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:32 pm

macdoc wrote:
Humility, self-denial, sacrifice, and charity are all good behaviors that can lead to a pleasant and strong society.
those are self delusion and simply a way to control the masses. Behave and you'll go to heaven.
Even the Amish and Buddhists are not particularly peaceable.

It's a tired meme with violent consequences.... Imagine.

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If someone is waving the woo, then fair game to get both barrels (as much as the freindship can stand, if you are bothered about it continuing)...
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Of course they are self-disillusions. But they are good self-disillusions.

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by fretmeister » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:33 pm

fretmeister wrote:About this far...

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Re: How far should our lack of respect for religion go?

Post by Rum » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:35 pm

fretmeister wrote:
fretmeister wrote:About this far...

(Not sure if it is too rude for the regular bit of the forum as it contains nudity and urination - so spoiler vision)
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Sorry... not appropriate for here. Will be moved - link pending once it's placed in the right thread. Bella


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