Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by hadespussercats » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:03 am

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Tero wrote:Funny atheistic guys. Maher does not beat the dead guy for me:
-John Stewart
-Colbert
-Carlin
-Maher
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Colbert is Catholic. Teaches Sunday School.
Well, that's not Christian to a Baptist. I use atheist and librul interchangeably.

I don't count libertarians like Penn Jillette cause they are just being contrary.
:hehe:

He is liberal, but he definitely cares about being Catholic-- Has a Jesuit priest friend on the show pretty regularly for a chat.
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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:03 am

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Thumpalumpacus wrote:Maher's a douchebag ... occasionally funny, but mostly just a dick.
And certainly not the high priest of a new religion.

... despite his best efforts. Who the hell appointed him?
He's a star, so naturally people worship him. :smug:
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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by hadespussercats » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:04 am

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Thumpalumpacus wrote:Maher's a douchebag ... occasionally funny, but mostly just a dick.
And certainly not the high priest of a new religion.
His audience is more of a cult.
Not necessarily. I enjoyed Religulous, but I don't hang on Maher's every word.
My mistake, when I said audience, I was talking about his studio audience.
Ah. Yeah. I'd watch his show if I were around and someone had free tickets, but I wouldn't seek them out.
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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by hadespussercats » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:06 am

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Thumpalumpacus wrote:Maher's a douchebag ... occasionally funny, but mostly just a dick.
And certainly not the high priest of a new religion.

... despite his best efforts. Who the hell appointed him?
He's a star, so naturally people worship him. :smug:
I don't know-- I think he's a crusader with the zeal of a convert. That zeal can be off-putting.
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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by Drewish » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:27 am

Tero wrote:I use atheist and librul interchangeably.

I don't count libertarians like Penn Jillette cause they are just being contrary.
Thank you for making my case for me that atheism is becoming a religion.
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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:30 am

That made no fucking sense at all.
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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by Tero » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:33 am

I hope so. I'm reading bout fossls.

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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by Thumpalumpacus » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:41 am

hadespussercats wrote:I don't know-- I think he's a crusader with the zeal of a convert. That zeal can be off-putting.
Well-put.

Watching Religulous, I felt embarrassed for him. In the parts where he's trolling theists, he comes across as puerile ... and in the behind-the-scenes stuff (like driving from place to place) he's talking like a fourteen-year-old boy who's just discovered masturbation and has to share this startling news with someone, anyone.

I made it through twenty-five or so minutes before I had to flip the channel.
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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by Tero » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:47 am

Tero wrote:I hope so. I'm off now, gone reading bout fossls.
I was inaccurate.

Atheism being a religion, where are we roasting babies this week?

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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

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Tero wrote:I hope so. I'm off now, gone reading bout fossls.
I was inaccurate.

Atheism being a religion, where are we roasting babies this week?
I would love to buy that church that is for sale just south of the stadium, downtown. :plot:
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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by Robert_S » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:15 am

I think we should reconsider this whole "Not a religion" bit.

We could have a tax free temple complete with temple prostitutes, bizarre and naughty initiation rites, special holidays, arbitrary privileges, a blurb here and there in the Religion section of the local paper...
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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by Tero » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:44 am

I'm thinking fun funeral pyres. Will we need fire permits? A couple of sprinklers in the room should do it.

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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by apophenia » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:01 am




:cry: I don't have cable.


Ah yes, the universal armchair sport of tearing other people down for their accomplishments. I like what I've seen of Maher. I find him consistently funny more often than a lot of people. My personal favorite though is Craig Ferguson. He never fails to crack me up.



I would be most happy if someone could explain to me in rational and persuasive terms what makes a religion a religion. I thought I knew once. I concluded that my Taoism, which is often labeled philosophical Taoism to contrast with the really, really religious Taoisms, I was convinced that, despite being less religious, it too was a religion. Now I don't know. I'm hesitant to exclude my Taoism as not being religious, purely on principle, not for any secondary benefits. But I'm finding that, given the reasons I include it among religions, I likely would have to pull atheism and secular humanism under the umbrella based on the same principles. I frequently encounter atheists and humanist who clumsily attack religion, theistic religion and the Abrahamanic faiths as if these terms were idempotent and interchangeable. They're not. I just the other day had to beat back a Buddhist who was trying to assert that religion entails having weekly meetings to reinforce the memes in the minds of the flock. No. Just no. Perhaps many, or even most religions do this, but having weekly meetings is not a diagnostic feature of religion unless we want to include Alcoholics Anonymous and weekly staff meetings at work as religious functions. Moreover, some thinking I did yesterday leaves me with a hunch that, once the decks are cleared of bad thinking and trash, any definition which would successfully demarcate what we normally consider religion, would most likely also suck atheism and secular humanism into its wake. I'm not interested in presenting the arguments formally, but needless to say, these conclusion throw a massive spanner in any attempt I would make at arriving at a robust and satisfactory definition. Maybe there just isn't one, and case by case interpretation is necessary; I'm not sure, if, if that is the case, atheism and humanism will fare any better at avoiding the net under those conditions either.


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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by hadespussercats » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:18 am

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hadespussercats wrote:I don't know-- I think he's a crusader with the zeal of a convert. That zeal can be off-putting.
Well-put.

Watching Religulous, I felt embarrassed for him. In the parts where he's trolling theists, he comes across as puerile ... and in the behind-the-scenes stuff (like driving from place to place) he's talking like a fourteen-year-old boy who's just discovered masturbation and has to share this startling news with someone, anyone.

I made it through twenty-five or so minutes before I had to flip the channel.
I watched it twice, and enjoyed it both times. :mrgreen:
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Re: Bill Maher - Atheism is Not a Religion

Post by amused » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:02 am

All the atheist spokespeople will have flaws. For example, many took issue with Hitchens because of his support for the war in Iraq. Progressives seem to tear down their people more than conservatives. When the thumpers learned of Shrub's alcoholism and cocaine use, they accepted it as a character flaw to be forgiven. We should do the same for our side, IMO.

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