Pope to Sheep: Turn off your brain.

[Ele]

I've done some sitting down and paying attention to my breathing meditation here and there. It does seem to put a calmness over me without making me slothful.

But that's not shutting down my brain, it's more like letting the inner committee talk itself tired.

It takes a fair amount of self-control to do that, doesn't it?

I try, but I just can't sit still. Swimming laps at the pool or along a beach works to quieten my mind, forcing a breathing meditation to happen.
As much as I persist, drinking wine doesn't work

[Robert_S]

I've done some sitting down and paying attention to my breathing meditation here and there. It does seem to put a calmness over me without making me slothful.

But that's not shutting down my brain, it's more like letting the inner committee talk itself tired.

It takes a fair amount of self-control to do that, doesn't it?

I try, but I just can't sit still. Swimming laps at the pool or along a beach works to quieten my mind, forcing a breathing meditation to happen.
As much as I persist, drinking wine doesn't work

Not a whole lot of self control really. Nothing like the self control required for me to stop drinking before finishing the second glass.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ele, wine always works, you just may be using it on the wrong problem.

[amused]

No, I don't sleep.

Aaah, I suppose you regenerate like a vampire instead.

Heh

I was responding to the original post.

The original intent of many things like religion, Tarot, Tao Te Ching, crystals, candles, and similar are to create a time and space to think about things. They have no predictive quality and are not magic. So yes, meditation has its time and place, but staying there for a lifetime is stupid, IMO.

[Robert_S]

No, I don't sleep.

Aaah, I suppose you regenerate like a vampire instead.

Heh

I was responding to the original post.

The original intent of many things like religion, Tarot, Tao Te Ching, crystals, candles, and similar are to create a time and space to think about things. They have no predictive quality and are not magic. So yes, meditation has its time and place, but staying there for a lifetime is stupid, IMO.

Not if you like it there and can get others to subsidise it.

[Ele]

No, I don't sleep.

Aaah, I suppose you regenerate like a vampire instead.

Heh

I was responding to the original post.

Yes, I suspected that you had after I posted.

[amused]

No, I don't sleep.

Aaah, I suppose you regenerate like a vampire instead.

Heh

I was responding to the original post.

Yes, I suspected that you had after I posted.

No worries!

[klr]

Pontiff tells punters: Just stop asking us about anything.

It's an old formula. Very old indeed.

[Audley Strange]

I used to shit in the forest and meditate.

Why doncha use the excremeditation room like a civilized person?

That sounds like Subgenius heresy, WITCH!

[Rum]

I read the 'speech' in full. It was of course full of horse poo, but actually he wasn't asking people to 'turn off their brains'. He was suggesting that only the humble and those people willing to allow that there is something more than reason were on the path to communion with god.

You may not agree with that - and I don't, but let's not fall into the trap of messy and unconvincing dismissal.

[Robert_S]

I read the 'speech' in full. It was of course full of horse poo, but actually he wasn't asking people to 'turn off their brains'. He was suggesting that only the humble and those people willing to allow that there is something more than reason were on the path to communion with god.

You may not agree with that - and I don't, but let's not fall into the trap of messy and unconvincing dismissal.

Oh, there is MUCH more to life than reason and rationality and too much pride will definitely fuck you up.

That doesn't mean the guy in the castle has the key to peace of mind though. To quote William S Burroughs: "All they have a key to is the shithouse!"

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I read the 'speech' in full. It was of course full of horse poo, but actually he wasn't asking people to 'turn off their brains'. He was suggesting that only the humble and those people willing to allow that there is something more than reason were on the path to communion with god.

You may not agree with that - and I don't, but let's not fall into the trap of messy and unconvincing dismissal.

Oh, there is MUCH more to life than reason and rationality and too much pride will definitely fuck you up.

That doesn't mean the guy in the castle has the key to peace of mind though. To quote William S Burroughs: "All they have a key to is the shithouse!"

I see a facade of holiness fronting a pit of vipers. The way to peace is to eliminate them.

[Robert_S]

I read the 'speech' in full. It was of course full of horse poo, but actually he wasn't asking people to 'turn off their brains'. He was suggesting that only the humble and those people willing to allow that there is something more than reason were on the path to communion with god.

You may not agree with that - and I don't, but let's not fall into the trap of messy and unconvincing dismissal.

Oh, there is MUCH more to life than reason and rationality and too much pride will definitely fuck you up.

That doesn't mean the guy in the castle has the key to peace of mind though. To quote William S Burroughs: "All they have a key to is the shithouse!"

I see a facade of holiness fronting a pit of vipers. The way to peace is to eliminate them.

The Sears Roebuck catalogue is out of pages!

[Svartalf]

If people started thinking they might think about what they're doing by sending their kids to the pedo palaces.

Since they are going to be buggered all their life long by the people in charge, starting early and literally is providing them with useful life lessons.

[JimC]

I read the 'speech' in full. It was of course full of horse poo, but actually he wasn't asking people to 'turn off their brains'. He was suggesting that only the humble and those people willing to allow that there is something more than reason were on the path to communion with god.

You may not agree with that - and I don't, but let's not fall into the trap of messy and unconvincing dismissal.

A hermit in a forest, a monk living a simple life, a committed aid worker etc. are all possibly in a position to make a humble suggestion about humility...

But coming from a fully frocked-up prince of the church, whose life is pomp, ceremony and unambiguous wealth, it is a little like Stalin declaiming about the virtues of being a simple worker...