Best attested miracles/paranormal/magical events.

[normal]

There are none.
No miracle has ever been confirmed and never will be until an independant organisation is able to assess them under controlled conditions.

I think he's looking for "most commonly accepted as being real" type stuff. The ones the religious like to trot out as "proof of divine intervention", etc.

gawdzilla is right; even though all magical claims have extremely poor supporting evidence, I'm looking for those that are best supported.

What are you going to do with them?

[Trolldor]

The children reported that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them[11] and provide a miracle "so that all may believe."[12]

Mass hysteria is massive.

Actually, it's more likely that the vast majority only claimed to have seen it rather than mass hysteria, and that at best it was one nutjob who got the attention of those in authority.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The children reported that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them[11] and provide a miracle "so that all may believe."[12]

Mass hysteria is massive.

Actually, it's more likely that the vast majority only claimed to have seen it rather than mass hysteria, and that at best it was one nutjob who got the attention of those in authority.

I wasn't there.

And yes, I only recently heard of the Fatima thing (and the sun bit not at all.)

[electricwhiteboy]

I was part of a group hallucination event as a kid of about 12. It's weird, you do actually see things that appear to be objectively there. Eye witness accounts mean pretty much diddley squat when it comes to testimony, especially of miraculous events. Some occultists at the saner end of the spectrum will even openly admit that any “magickal” event takes place only within the imagination and not within objective reality.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I was part of a group hallucination event as a kid of about 12. It's weird, you do actually see things that appear to be objectively there. Eye witness accounts mean pretty much diddley squat when it comes to testimony, especially of miraculous events. Some occultists at the saner end of the spectrum will even openly admit that any “magickal” event takes place only within the imagination and not within objective reality.

"The event is translated into a high plane of reality that on the liberated mind can truely see. If you can't see the event then you are either resolutely refusing to see it or you haven't freed your mind of the mundanities of your pedestrian existence." The Emperor's New Clothes Rule, in other words.

[electricwhiteboy]

I was part of a group hallucination event as a kid of about 12. It's weird, you do actually see things that appear to be objectively there. Eye witness accounts mean pretty much diddley squat when it comes to testimony, especially of miraculous events. Some occultists at the saner end of the spectrum will even openly admit that any “magickal” event takes place only within the imagination and not within objective reality.

"The event is translated into a high plane of reality that on the liberated mind can truely see. If you can't see the event then you are either resolutely refusing to see it or you haven't freed your mind of the mundanities of your pedestrian existence." The Emperor's New Clothes Rule, in other words.

Sort of... more that there are ways and means of tripping balls without drugs: i.e. isolation, sleep deprivation, fasting, repetitive behaviour (such as chanting or ritual), hyperventilation, sex, and holding the body in stress positions. If you can't see the event you simply haven't got out off your gourd enough.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I was part of a group hallucination event as a kid of about 12. It's weird, you do actually see things that appear to be objectively there. Eye witness accounts mean pretty much diddley squat when it comes to testimony, especially of miraculous events. Some occultists at the saner end of the spectrum will even openly admit that any “magickal” event takes place only within the imagination and not within objective reality.

"The event is translated into a high plane of reality that on the liberated mind can truely see. If you can't see the event then you are either resolutely refusing to see it or you haven't freed your mind of the mundanities of your pedestrian existence." The Emperor's New Clothes Rule, in other words.

Sort of... more that there are ways and means of tripping balls without drugs: i.e. isolation, sleep deprivation, fasting, repetitive behaviour (such as chanting or ritual), hyperventilation, sex, and holding the body in stress positions. If you can't see the event you simply haven't got out off your gourd enough.

I should have seen a lot more then.

[Trolldor]

You're confusing 'tripping balls' with 'insanity'.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You're confusing 'tripping balls' with 'insanity'.

Yeah, you're right. More time for me on the insanity side, I think.

[Trolldor]

...you ninja'd my comment you bastard.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

...you ninja'd my comment you bastard.

There was a time in my life when I thought "Are you fuckin' INSANE!?" was a common greeting.

[electricwhiteboy]

You're confusing 'tripping balls' with 'insanity'.

Yes, being completely batshit insane does help as well.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You're confusing 'tripping balls' with 'insanity'.

Yes, being completely batshit insane does help as well.

I'm being cheated then.

[Feck]

I think all theists should stare at the sun for long periods .

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I think all theists should be sent to the sun for long periods .