:) Satan's handmaiden

[Lozzer]

Though the story is a myth, why have no Christians ever had this epiphany? Has no one realised they were worshipping the genuine deceiver(an oxymoron in terms I'm sure).

Good question ...

Some christians do have this 'epiphany', or recognise the irony ... and some of those go on to lose their faith.

Those that don't have been trained, usually from a very young age, to believe these stories, literally. I'm sure that many, on some level, are in denial about what they really think, though. It's only when they heed the dissonance that the penny drops.

Consider my friend, he's a devout Evangelical Christian. His mum suffers from cancer and blames Satan for all cancer. According to many authoritative Christians, Satan cannot create or destroy but merely influence human beings. I explained this to him using the relative scripture and he accepted that, but continued to blame Satan? I do believe I made him think for a moment and hence why he ignored my reasoning--why was this? Well because only God can create. If God created cancer then surely he's not as benevolent as he claims. And on even further introspection, one could blame man's' revolution in the Eden which caused the Fall--he could not accept that the cancer was his and his mums fault(and I don't blame him).

[Lozzer]

Yes, that's what I was pertaining to. A good question would be: if there was no 'right' and 'wrong' in the Garden of Eden, then I think its warranted to assume that the fruit was placed there as a ticket to intellectual and physical liberation--had this been the case, then perhaps God wanted them to consume the fruit so that they would survive in the real world. But this is the confusing part, why would God place the fruit of emancipation in the Garden which was not fettered by reality--the fruit having the capability to help man survive in the real world, then punish them for accepting such a token and thus releasing themselves(which was the imperative of the fruit)?

I think that when they were making these stories up they just weren't smart/skeptical enough to think it all the way through, and neither were most of those who heard them ...

Intelligence, critical analysis and independent thought isn't necessitated by the faiths of Abraham but deplored.

[Chinaski]

I am an outspoken LaVeyan satanist, albeit without all the self-delusionary mumbo jumbo magic stuff (which LaVey even clearly states to be nonsense, merely a catharsis). I find it a perfect combination of atheism and humanism, with the right amount of Nietzsche thrown in.

[Lozzer]

I am an outspoken LaVeyan satanist, albeit without all the self-delusionary mumbo jumbo magic stuff (which LaVey even clearly states to be nonsense, merely a catharsis). I find it a perfect combination of atheism and humanism, with the right amount of Nietzsche thrown in.

Is "LaVeyan Satanism" a religion?

[Chinaski]

I am an outspoken LaVeyan satanist, albeit without all the self-delusionary mumbo jumbo magic stuff (which LaVey even clearly states to be nonsense, merely a catharsis). I find it a perfect combination of atheism and humanism, with the right amount of Nietzsche thrown in.

Is "LaVeyan Satanism" a religion?

Yes, it's in the official US charter as a religion, however it is the only "church" that refuses tax-exempt status. The Church of Satan pays its taxes.

[Hermit]

Satan's biggest achievement is convincing people he was real, and not the head of the Catholic Church.

What?

Going by the actions and attitudes of the pope, I have formed the opinion that Satan - as depicted by the catholic church - is both real and the head of the catholic church. Why, for instance, would anyone prohibit the use of condoms in the face of the AIDS epidemic in Africa, and why would anybody prohibit contraception of any sort in the face of unsustainable human population growth, unless the objective was to wipe out the human race by one means or another?

Additionally, there is some disturbing graphic evidence:

[Lozzer]

I am an outspoken LaVeyan satanist, albeit without all the self-delusionary mumbo jumbo magic stuff (which LaVey even clearly states to be nonsense, merely a catharsis). I find it a perfect combination of atheism and humanism, with the right amount of Nietzsche thrown in.

Is "LaVeyan Satanism" a religion?

Yes, it's in the official US charter as a religion, however it is the only "church" that refuses tax-exempt status. The Church of Satan pays its taxes.

This I have a problem with--the collective only encourages the individual to participate in the collective. The individual must be subordinate. Regardless of what LaVeyan Satanism preaches, solidarity will always demand this by default. Was it the case that the religion was solely based on independent thought, then how can it be collective in the sense that a believer must ascribe to its principles? Viz.If you think differently(or granted to), then how can you be considered to be a member of the Satanist Church?

[Lozzer]

Satan's biggest achievement is convincing people he was real, and not the head of the Catholic Church.

What?

Going by the actions and attitudes of the pope, I have formed the opinion that Satan - as depicted by the catholic church - is both real and the head of the catholic church. Why, for instance, would anyone prohibit the use of condoms in the face of the AIDS epidemic in Africa, and why would anybody prohibit contraception of any sort in the face of unsustainable human population growth, unless the objective was to wipe out the human race by one means or another?

Additionally, there is some disturbing graphic evidence:

That was what I said...

The Pope claims Satan's real, but only such an absolutist like Satan would make such a claim.

[Feck]

The Popes authority comes from st Paul ,funny how when he went to visit the family of jebus to tell them about the damascus road they told him they did not care and told him to "go tell the gentiles" I think thats Hassidic for F*** off Roman ?

[Beelzebub2]

Going by the actions and attitudes of the pope, I have formed the opinion that Satan - as depicted by the catholic church - is both real and the head of the catholic church. Why, for instance, would anyone prohibit the use of condoms in the face of the AIDS epidemic in Africa, and why would anybody prohibit contraception of any sort in the face of unsustainable human population growth, unless the objective was to wipe out the human race by one means or another?

Or beside the fact that he has no brain, he lacks penis as well?

[Feck]

I am an outspoken LaVeyan satanist, albeit without all the self-delusionary mumbo jumbo magic stuff (which LaVey even clearly states to be nonsense, merely a catharsis). I find it a perfect combination of atheism and humanism, with the right amount of Nietzsche thrown in.

Oh I am so much a fan of Anton Lavvy, that is why I keep a little tissue soaked in my menstrual blood around my neck .

[Chinaski]

I am an outspoken LaVeyan satanist, albeit without all the self-delusionary mumbo jumbo magic stuff (which LaVey even clearly states to be nonsense, merely a catharsis). I find it a perfect combination of atheism and humanism, with the right amount of Nietzsche thrown in.

Is "LaVeyan Satanism" a religion?

Yes, it's in the official US charter as a religion, however it is the only "church" that refuses tax-exempt status. The Church of Satan pays its taxes.

This I have a problem with--the collective only encourages the individual to participate in the collective. The individual must be subordinate. Regardless of what LaVeyan Satanism preaches, solidarity will always demand this by default. Was it the case that the religion was solely based on independent thought, then how can it be collective in the sense that a believer must ascribe to its principles? Viz.If you think differently(or granted to), then how can you be considered to be a member of the Satanist Church?

It's more of a collection of like-minded thinkers. Somewhat like rationalia, actually. There is a paradoxical element to it, but it seems to work. In fact, they'll only allow you membership if you seem intelligent enough to criticize dogma.

[Lozzer]

I am an outspoken LaVeyan satanist, albeit without all the self-delusionary mumbo jumbo magic stuff (which LaVey even clearly states to be nonsense, merely a catharsis). I find it a perfect combination of atheism and humanism, with the right amount of Nietzsche thrown in.

Is "LaVeyan Satanism" a religion?

Yes, it's in the official US charter as a religion, however it is the only "church" that refuses tax-exempt status. The Church of Satan pays its taxes.

This I have a problem with--the collective only encourages the individual to participate in the collective. The individual must be subordinate. Regardless of what LaVeyan Satanism preaches, solidarity will always demand this by default. Was it the case that the religion was solely based on independent thought, then how can it be collective in the sense that a believer must ascribe to its principles? Viz.If you think differently(or granted to), then how can you be considered to be a member of the Satanist Church?

It's more of a collection of like-minded thinkers. Somewhat like rationalia, actually. There is a paradoxical element to it, but it seems to work. In fact, they'll only allow you membership if you seem intelligent enough to criticize dogma.

But rationalia isn't a religion.

[Chinaski]

But rationalia isn't a religion.

Neither is LaVeyan satanism. The only reason it was "officialized" was to poke fun at Christianity. As a philosophy, it is sound; as a religion, it's a parody.

[Lozzer]

But rationalia isn't a religion.

Neither is LaVeyan satanism. The only reason it was "officialized" was to poke fun at Christianity. As a philosophy, it is sound; as a religion, it's a parody.

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