Fucking savages

[Hermit]

I look on Afghanistan as another planet. I don't care what they do to each other.
What I object to is Afghans coming here, and bringing that shit with them.

We should have a list of countries who's illegal immigrants get sent straight back, and Afghanistan should be number one. And Pakistan number two and Somalia three.
With a national attitude to women that is at odds with western values, they should have no right at all to asylum. It's like giving asylum to plague carriers.

Since I doubt that the trend would be for western society to become infected by the abhorrent values of other cultures, having already progressed to more ethical ones, I think it more likely that the immigrants will adopt ours. We set the example, not them. We have established laws by which, by immigrating, they agree and are obliged to live and we can enforce those laws. By ensuring there is employment, social support and trying to avoid ghettoisation, we can make a difference to how other people view and assimilate into western culture ... in my view. Fuck, just being friendly to people of any cultural background when interacting must make a difference to how we're perceived, and on a more personal level, likely makes a difference to how the individual feels in that moment ... many, many such moments and they'll feel good about their chosen new life ... just as most people do when life is pleasant and positive.

That's one thing regarding Islam that the US has been fairly good at I think. Except in our more backward areas, we tend to have gotten over our tendency to ghettoize newcomers to a large degree.

The Australian experience bears that out as well. Previous waves of migrants tended to find themselves in ghettoes upon arrival. Speaking of Sydney, the Italian migrants concentrated in Leichhardt, the Greeks in Marrickville, the Koreans in Campsie, the Vietnamese in Cabramatta, etc, but their children's values, attitudes and behaviour are largely indistinguishable from the average Australian. Right now we have the Islamic ghetto in Lakemba and Belmore. I predict that their children will also assimilate more easily and comprehensively than the parents.

[Pappa]

I look on Afghanistan as another planet. I don't care what they do to each other.
What I object to is Afghans coming here, and bringing that shit with them.

We should have a list of countries who's illegal immigrants get sent straight back, and Afghanistan should be number one. And Pakistan number two and Somalia three.
With a national attitude to women that is at odds with western values, they should have no right at all to asylum. It's like giving asylum to plague carriers.

That's making the assumption that any individual Afghani is responsible for the goings-on in their county. By the same logic, I'm personally responsible for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan even though I voted against the party in power.

[Pappa]

The Australian experience bears that out as well. Previous waves of migrants tended to find themselves in ghettoes upon arrival. Speaking of Sydney, the Italian migrants concentrated in Leichhardt, the Greeks in Marrickville, the Koreans in Campsie, the Vietnamese in Cabramatta, etc, but their children's values, attitudes and behaviour are largely indistinguishable from the average Australian. Right now we have the Islamic ghetto in Lakemba and Belmore. I predict that their children will also assimilate more easily and comprehensively than the parents.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the trend with Muslim immigrants in the UK.... until we went and invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Those events have clearly pushed a lot more 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation young British Muslims away from assimilation and towards anti-Western ideology and fundamentalist Islam.

[charlou]

I'm pretty sure there's a good reason why people want to leave those shitholes and find a new life in the west.

[charlou]

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the trend with Muslim immigrants in the UK.... until we went and invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Those events have clearly pushed a lot more 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation young British Muslims away from assimilation and towards anti-Western ideology and fundamentalist Islam.

hayeah, the irony, eh?

Those younger generations have no idea what it's like living under the regimes their parents escaped. For them, the fundamentalism is probably akin to any "cause" younger generations take up ... and it's often misplaced idealism.

[charlou]

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the trend with Muslim immigrants in the UK.... until we went and invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Those events have clearly pushed a lot more 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation young British Muslims away from assimilation and towards anti-Western ideology and fundamentalist Islam.

hayeah, the irony, eh?

Those younger generations have no idea what it's like living under the regimes their parents escaped. For them, the fundamentalism is probably akin to any "cause" younger generations take up ... and it's often misplaced idealism.

A couple of films which have subplots relevant to this theme, both very good films in very different ways, if you're interested ...

Brick Lane

Syriana

[Schneibster]

That's one thing regarding Islam that the US has been fairly good at I think. Except in our more backward areas, we tend to have gotten over our tendency to ghettoize newcomers to a large degree.

People talk a lot of shit about Muslims when they ain't met any. My tendency is to ridicule them as ignorant hicks for talking shit.

[Robert_S]

That's one thing regarding Islam that the US has been fairly good at I think. Except in our more backward areas, we tend to have gotten over our tendency to ghettoize newcomers to a large degree.

People talk a lot of shit about Muslims when they ain't met any. My tendency is to ridicule them as ignorant hicks for talking shit.

Many USians don't care much for Islam or Muslims, but all but the most stupid (and unfortunately vocal) minority will acknowledge their equal rights.

[Hermit]

That's one thing regarding Islam that the US has been fairly good at I think. Except in our more backward areas, we tend to have gotten over our tendency to ghettoize newcomers to a large degree.

People talk a lot of shit about Muslims when they ain't met any. My tendency is to ridicule them as ignorant hicks for talking shit.

Many USians don't care much for Islam or Muslims, but all but the most stupid (and unfortunately vocal) minority will acknowledge their equal rights.

Are you providing an example of what Schneibster is referring to, or is that a joke?

[Robert_S]

That's one thing regarding Islam that the US has been fairly good at I think. Except in our more backward areas, we tend to have gotten over our tendency to ghettoize newcomers to a large degree.

People talk a lot of shit about Muslims when they ain't met any. My tendency is to ridicule them as ignorant hicks for talking shit.

Many USians don't care much for Islam or Muslims, but all but the most stupid (and unfortunately vocal) minority will acknowledge their equal rights.

Are you providing an example of what Schneibster is referring to, or is that a joke?

Neither. I'm saying that there seems to be some nuance in anti-Islam in the US.

[Hermit]

That's one thing regarding Islam that the US has been fairly good at I think. Except in our more backward areas, we tend to have gotten over our tendency to ghettoize newcomers to a large degree.

People talk a lot of shit about Muslims when they ain't met any. My tendency is to ridicule them as ignorant hicks for talking shit.

Many USians don't care much for Islam or Muslims, but all but the most stupid (and unfortunately vocal) minority will acknowledge their equal rights.

Are you providing an example of what Schneibster is referring to, or is that a joke?

Neither. I'm saying that there seems to be some nuance in anti-Islam in the US.

Got it. I misunderstood your post by not noticing The "all but". Sorry. My mistake.

[JimC]

The Australian experience bears that out as well. Previous waves of migrants tended to find themselves in ghettoes upon arrival. Speaking of Sydney, the Italian migrants concentrated in Leichhardt, the Greeks in Marrickville, the Koreans in Campsie, the Vietnamese in Cabramatta, etc, but their children's values, attitudes and behaviour are largely indistinguishable from the average Australian. Right now we have the Islamic ghetto in Lakemba and Belmore. I predict that their children will also assimilate more easily and comprehensively than the parents.

I'm pretty sure that was exactly the trend with Muslim immigrants in the UK.... until we went and invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Those events have clearly pushed a lot more 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation young British Muslims away from assimilation and towards anti-Western ideology and fundamentalist Islam.

That has happened here to an extent, but hopefully they are a small minority who are magnified by the media spotlight. No fun for the media in writing stories about folk who are fitting in, and regarding football of various types to be a better religion than the old crap...

[mistermack]

Some immigrants adjust and fit in. Some don't.
If anybody was allowed to compile statistics on immigrants, they would be pretty bad.
Like the crime rates, the rates of rape, the forced marriages etc. etc.

Why do we bother to import that crap? Just because some behave better than others?
You can't tell what you're getting, you get the bad along with the good.
Better to just not let them in from these countries. We have far too much unskilled labour as it is.
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[Tyrannical]

Ethnic immigration multiculturalism leads to nothing but trouble. If you atheists think that religious wars are bad, there is no war worse then a race war.