William Lane Craig's "Reasonable" Faith

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William Lane Craig's "Reasonable" Faith

Post by Laurens » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:56 pm

Mark Smith (of www.jcnot4me.com) set up the following scenario for Craig: "Dr. Craig, for the sake of argument let's pretend that a time machine gets built. You travel back to the day before Easter, 33 AD. We park it outside the tomb of Jesus. We wait. Easter morning rolls around, and nothing happens. We continue to wait. After several weeks of waiting, still nothing happens. There is no resurrection–Jesus is quietly rotting away in the tomb"

Smith asked Craig, given this scenario, if he would then give up Christianity, having seen with his own two eyes that Jesus did not rise from the dead. Smith wrote "His answer was shocking, and quite unexpected. He told me face to face that he would STILL believe in Jesus, he would STILL believe in the resurrection, and he would STILL remain a Christian. When asked, in light of his being a personal eyewitness to the fact that there WAS no resurrection, he replied that due to the witness of the 'holy spirit' within him, he would assume a trick of some sort had been played on him while watching Jesus' tomb. This self-induced blindness astounded me." If anyone doubts what Craig said in response, Mark challenges him or her to ask him the same question.

Loftus, John W. – Why I Became An Atheist page 214
I love how William Lane Craig's website is called 'reasonable faith' yet his faith is completely and utterly unreasonable, as demonstrated above.

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Re: William Lane Craig's "Reasonable" Faith

Post by charlou » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:47 pm

This is unsurprising to me. It's cognitive dissidence, denial or an outright lie.

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Re: William Lane Craig's "Reasonable" Faith

Post by pcCoder » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:59 pm

Laurens wrote:
Mark Smith (of http://www.jcnot4me.com) set up the following scenario for Craig: "Dr. Craig, for the sake of argument let's pretend that a time machine gets built. You travel back to the day before Easter, 33 AD. We park it outside the tomb of Jesus. We wait. Easter morning rolls around, and nothing happens. We continue to wait. After several weeks of waiting, still nothing happens. There is no resurrection–Jesus is quietly rotting away in the tomb"

Smith asked Craig, given this scenario, if he would then give up Christianity, having seen with his own two eyes that Jesus did not rise from the dead. Smith wrote "His answer was shocking, and quite unexpected. He told me face to face that he would STILL believe in Jesus, he would STILL believe in the resurrection, and he would STILL remain a Christian. When asked, in light of his being a personal eyewitness to the fact that there WAS no resurrection, he replied that due to the witness of the 'holy spirit' within him, he would assume a trick of some sort had been played on him while watching Jesus' tomb. This self-induced blindness astounded me." If anyone doubts what Craig said in response, Mark challenges him or her to ask him the same question.

Loftus, John W. – Why I Became An Atheist page 214
I love how William Lane Craig's website is called 'reasonable faith' yet his faith is completely and utterly unreasonable, as demonstrated above.
My bold: he should be asked how he knows this 'witness of the holy spirit within him' isn't the actual trick that is being played on him, either by a devil (or testing god) of another religion, or by his own psychological condition.

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Post by Feck » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:06 pm

WLC is a lying piece of shit.
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Re: William Lane Craig's "Reasonable" Faith

Post by Feck » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:59 pm

The Kalām cosmological argument:

Everything that has a beginning of its existence has a cause of its existence.
The universe has a beginning of its existence.

Therefore:

The universe has a cause of its existence.
If the universe has a cause of its existence then that cause is God.

Therefore:

God exists.




This is what WLC thinks is PROOF of course the list of assumptions that you have to agree to for the argument to be valid is longer than the argument and, mostly untrue .

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Re: William Lane Craig's "Reasonable" Faith

Post by Animavore » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:01 pm

Here's an awesome video which debunks the Kalam Cosmological Argument from every angle and shows up WLC's lies and misrepresentations.

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Post by Animavore » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:02 pm

John Loftus is an ex-student of WLC. WLC refuses to debate him. Says it wouldn't be proper to debate an ex-student.
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