"Why we fight."

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Originally Posted by Richard Stanbery View Post
Opana...we just do not believe that evolution is any thing more than the attempts of Godless sinners to legitimize thier own depravity by making it appear to be scientific. When all the time it is nothing more that "pseudoscience", where every single scrap of evidence in favor of evolution has counter evidence to disprove it. Where the evidence behind evolution is a contrived deceit, and if one looks too hard and points out the holes in the "evidence" then the name calling begins against Christians by atheist. The personal attacks and the insults to our religion begins.

A festival of ugliness, a tirade of hate and darkness comes out of the atheist, just as we brace for it behind our sheildwall. We know it is comming, and thats allright. So has it always been. Sweet waters do not come from a bitter spring, and vice versa. And so, it is then even easier for us Christians to understand the source of evolution theory. The same source for the name calling, the hate, and all the other manifestations of darkness.

And here we are, after all these pages and pages of evidence and counter evidence...and not any of the evolutionary evidence has come out of this debate intact. Every single item of evidence has had holes shot into it. I know that you will never admit the obvious fact...but anybody else that has eyes and an interest can see it...

...And thus, evolution theory was invented many years before Charles Darwin was even born, let alone sent out on his "voyage of discovery". And so now, one can see the real source behind evolution. So, do not be fooled. Dont be your eternal soul on supporting a deception that has origins in the dark halls of the occult. That path leads to Hell.

And one cannot "evolve" thier way out of Hell.

And that, Opana, is why you just cannot scratch the armor of the Christians who oppose evolution. You would have to kill us in order to cease our protest. That is the explanation of the Christian opposition to evolution. It is our worldview.

[Aos Si]

Kinda like asking why tigers stalk prey I think. I think much of what made us so successful comes from aggressive behaviour which translates into more complexly human behaviour. No emotion is ever all bad, even hatred, jealousy or rage can have positives. I think its better to accept that we are a very violent species for a reason and then try to intelligently reason why that behaviour is not apt. Rather than try and fight what we are. Pragmatically speaking I think that would be more healthy.

As for religious contentions to our apeness or whatever. All of the great apes are far less violent than us, including the chimps and especially Gorillas who are vegetarian and only tend to fight for dominance or territorial issues and then fairly rarely. Perhaps its not a bad idea to ask why we are sitting here typing this and they are still eating bananas or in the case of bonobos, shagging everything that moves.

Not that everything can be put down to our propensity to violence but I bet it is pivotal in societal and then civilised progression.

Like Christians there are militants on both sides. Me I am liberal about religion this is the usual tarring atheists as a particular stereotype shit from the fundie nuts. I don't think all fundies deny evolution or are vocal and vitriolic any more than I think all Atheists give a crap about the evolution issue or whatever.

[stripes4]

I think it's because it makes us horny!!!

or is that just me?

[Aos Si]

I think it's because it makes us horny!!!

or is that just me?

Yeah that's just you and the serial killer thing again.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Kinda like asking why tigers stalk prey I think. I think much of what made us so successful comes from aggressive behaviour which translates into more complexly human behaviour. No emotion is ever all bad, even hatred, jealousy or rage can have positives. I think its better to accept that we are a very violent species for a reason and then try to intelligently reason why that behaviour is not apt. Rather than try and fight what we are. Pragmatically speaking I think that would be more healthy.

As for religious contentions to our apeness or whatever. All of the great apes are far less violent than us, including the chimps and especially Gorillas who are vegetarian and only tend to fight for dominance or territorial issues and then fairly rarely. Perhaps its not a bad idea to ask why we are sitting here typing this and they are still eating bananas or in the case of bonobos, shagging everything that moves.

Not that everything can be put down to our propensity to violence but I bet it is pivotal in societal and then civilised progression.

Like Christians there are militants on both sides. Me I am liberal about religion this is the usual tarring atheists as a particular stereotype shit from the fundie nuts. I don't think all fundies deny evolution or are vocal and vitriolic any more than I think all Atheists give a crap about the evolution issue or whatever.

Regarding militancy: I find it amusing that people equate arguing on the Internet with combat. That's rather like saying a glimpse of a side boob is the same as full nudity.

Anyway, 99% of our "aggression" comes from the of the defensive fundies. The first person to respond to my first post "over there" called me an aggressive, belligerent, rude atheist. He didn't get warned, of course, but I did for saying "Yeah, I'm aggressive when it come to fighting the forcing of religion into a science class."

[Feck]

Did some nasty atheists make the little baby cry by calling him names .. did they say he was a stupid ignorant ape and his world view is based on little more than moral cowardice and cosmic narcissism .

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Did some nasty atheists make the little baby cry by calling him names .. did they say he was a stupid ignorant ape and his world view is based on little more than moral cowardice and cosmic narcissism .

His predictable follow-up:

The "Big Bang Theory" is severely flawed right from the "origin" of it, in that an explosion requires some matter. In a status where nothing existed at all, where did the spark and fuel come from to provide the "Big Bang"?

If there was matter and energy before the "Big Bang", then the Big Bang wasnt the beginning, was it?

Can evolutionary science bridge that gap? No, it fails to right out of the gate. And this is one of the insurmountable problems that traditional evolution science cannot, with any logic or evidence, survive scrutiny or serious thought.

One cannot get something from nothing unless creation happens. Short of that, nothing remains nothing. Empty, void.

[laklak]

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Our subject would be strongly in favor of that method of "teaching God's love."

[Azathoth]

Can we keep him? Send him an invite Zilla

[Aos Si]

Kinda like asking why tigers stalk prey I think. I think much of what made us so successful comes from aggressive behaviour which translates into more complexly human behaviour. No emotion is ever all bad, even hatred, jealousy or rage can have positives. I think its better to accept that we are a very violent species for a reason and then try to intelligently reason why that behaviour is not apt. Rather than try and fight what we are. Pragmatically speaking I think that would be more healthy.

As for religious contentions to our apeness or whatever. All of the great apes are far less violent than us, including the chimps and especially Gorillas who are vegetarian and only tend to fight for dominance or territorial issues and then fairly rarely. Perhaps its not a bad idea to ask why we are sitting here typing this and they are still eating bananas or in the case of bonobos, shagging everything that moves.

Not that everything can be put down to our propensity to violence but I bet it is pivotal in societal and then civilised progression.

Like Christians there are militants on both sides. Me I am liberal about religion this is the usual tarring atheists as a particular stereotype shit from the fundie nuts. I don't think all fundies deny evolution or are vocal and vitriolic any more than I think all Atheists give a crap about the evolution issue or whatever.

Regarding militancy: I find it amusing that people equate arguing on the Internet with combat. That's rather like saying a glimpse of a side boob is the same as full nudity.

Anyway, 99% of our "aggression" comes from the of the defensive fundies. The first person to respond to my first post "over there" called me an aggressive, belligerent, rude atheist. He didn't get warned, of course, but I did for saying "Yeah, I'm aggressive when it come to fighting the forcing of religion into a science class."

That's not what I was talking about I certainly don't. I was referring to aggressive tendencies in general. Arguing on the internet is hardly the same thing as punching some guy in the face absolutely.

You complain but the same thing happens on most forums, bias creeps into moderation. I've seen loads of people call other all sorts of names on rat skep but not be warned and then a Christian be warned afterwards for something equally bad and them still ignore the flaming. Expecting moderation to be unbiased is unlikely given the bias of most forums in this sphere.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Can we keep him? Send him an invite Zilla

You know, I think I will.

[Crumb]

Expecting moderation to be unbiased is unlikely given the bias of most forums in this sphere.

This is why I prefer barely moderated forums.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I don't expect moderation to be unbiased, but I do expect staff to enforce the rules.

[Aos Si]

I don't expect moderation to be unbiased, but I do expect staff to enforce the rules.

Preaching to the choir, I've seen some extremely bad moderation in my time. Pay peanuts get monkeys, pay nothing..?

I wish there was a way to pay them through donations, that way they would be regulated by something other than themselves, any paid staff would be subject to the laws of their respective countries instead of their own whims. When you have a small nepotisitc oligarchy that isn't subject to its own rules, why would you think it is going to be fair, it's not so bad in a small community, but just like in society, such communes only work on the small scale, and if everyone is pulling in the same direction and subject to the same rules.

The best you can hope for is some sort of effort not to be biased. More than that you are kidding yourself, especially with the larger forums.

The worst part is they are friends so if any one of them is attacked it just becomes a matter of apologetics, and nothing ever gets done. Such a waste of time complaining about bad moderation. You might as well complain about God for all the good it will do, because they can't be wrong either. That's another retarded policy they have too, the customer is always wrong by default. They even believe that to admit fault would make them weak when really the opposite is true, if you are wrong everyone knows it anyway so why the fuck bother with the charade? Integrity costs nothing, if you fuck up say so and don't hide behind a wall of comrades, it's moronic and it just breads dissent and forum schisms, because people aren't at all represented by such silly ideas.

Just suck it up and leave if it annoys you too much; the system is broken but what can you do? I've even tried talking to people about their silly systems and their petty corruptions, it does no good those in charge will never admit anything is wrong even to themselves.

I mean who thought dictatorships would work any better than they do in the real world? Look at what happened to RDF, it only takes one idiot to ruin the entire forum. Moderation is as bad as its going to get, and it wont improve unless someone is watching the watchers other than themselves. no society has ever survived like that and none ever will run at all well.

The worst thing is anyone who wants to be a mod is the worst person to be a mod, power attracts those most easilly corrupted, even if it is E power and means nothing; some people become total assholes when in a seemingly immune and responsibility free environment that moderation is, can't get banned, infracted, and who gives a fuck about a dressing down? That's not a punishment you are not 8, prison is a punishment, being barred from the community. Who cares if someone says don't do it again, that's going to teach you only to be more careful about getting away with your trolling, piss poor moderation or whatever next time.

I'm not saying there aren't good moderators, I'm saying system is so poor that sooner or later even they will probably suck badly. You just hope they step down before they have the soul sucked out of them by their own hubris.

There are forums that run democracies that vote for their staff and impeach them. This is in my opinion is far more healthy, but try telling a dictator to relinquish some of his power to the electorate and he will bomb the hell out of the rioters. I don't think this forum needs such a system as its too small and you'd soon find ways of ostracising a poor moderator, but large communities where they go unnoticed by the vast majority of forum goers. Then you are in trouble.

The best thing you can do is vote with your feet, I've seen forums totally schism and form other entities and some just collapse. It happens far to often for it to be a coincidence. We spend almost all our lives with a say in how we are governed, and yet we spend our me time being ruled by the same dictatorship we spend working under in our working lives. Snot fun really knowing your posting life depends on either keeping your head down, and not being yourself, or ass licking some clown with a badge, or just leaving when you are faced with asshole moderation.

Way it is I'm afraid.