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Conservative infighting heats up

Post by Valden » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:23 pm

Conservative infighting heats up as focus shifts to important policy debates
When Republican Scott Brown won the Massachusetts special election to fill liberal icon Ted Kennedy's vacant Senate seat, he was hailed as a conservative hero and a symbol of the start of a revolution in American politics. But Brown's recent vote in favor of a Democrat-sponsored spending bill inspired thousands of conservatives to direct a firehose of anger at the newly-minted Senator via social media sites like Facebook and Twitter. The sudden turn against Brown is just one of a few current internal squabbles on the right that could distract the conservative movement's focus away from what's been its main focus over the past year: opposing the efforts by President Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress to expand the role of government.

Here's a rundown of the three most significant current conflicts:

-Conservatives vs. Scott Brown: You'd be hard-pressed to find a single instance in U.S. political history when a single vote by a politician has affected his or her popularity more dramatically than Brown's vote in favor of the Democrats' jobs bill. Explaining his actions in a Facebook wall post, Brown wrote:

“I came to Washington to be an independent voice, to put politics aside, and to do everything in my power to help create jobs for Massachusetts families, this Senate jobs bill is not perfect. I wish the tax cuts were deeper and broader, but I am voting for it because it contains measures that will help put people back t...o work. ... I hope for improvements in that process going forward."

The post generated thousands of comments and photoshopped images in response. Branded "Benedict Brown" by some in an ode to the famous turncoat of the Revolutionary War, the outpouring of anti-Scott Brown sentiment on the Internet was so far and wide, even spilling over to his daughter Ayla's Facebook page, that Gawker.com held a tongue-in-cheek contest encouraging readers to vote for their favorite "enraged Scott Brown Facebook fan comment." Many of the aforementioned comments and photos posted to Brown's Facebook page, as well as his daughter's, have since been removed, presumably by a Brown aide or Facebook administrators.

-Glenn Beck vs. Republicans/conservative commentators vs. Glenn Beck: On Saturday night, widely popular and always controversial Fox News host Glenn Beck delivered the keynote address at the annual gathering of conservatives known as CPAC. In his speech, Beck took some shots at the Republican party, comparing its inability to control its spending impulses to Tiger Woods' inability to control his sexual urges, and hinted that the creation of a third party might be in order since he thinks there are few differences between Republicans and Democrats in Washington.

Beck's words to the 2010 CPAC attendees, who supported Ron Paul overwhelmingly in a straw poll, didn't sit well with many of his cohorts in the conservative punditry. On his radio show, Rush Limbaugh warned that such talk threatened to divide the movement at a particularly crucial time.

"The best way to insure that Obama succeeds is to think that we need a third party," he said. "All the momentum that we've got going right now is just going to hit a brick wall if a third party starts, particularly on the basis that there's 'no difference between the two parties.'"

Conservative talker Mark Levin went a step further, mincing no words in firing a rhetorical warning shot aimed directly at Beck, saying flatly, "Stop dividing us."

-Michael Steele vs. the party faithful: One seemingly constant source of controversy within the Republican party for the last year has been the words and actions of RNC Chairman Michael Steele. The former Maryland lietenant governor has come under fire numerous times for comments deemed by some as embracing moderate to liberal policy stances. Additionally, Steele's handling of party finances has angered many within the ranks, a scab that was peeled off again this week when a Politico story revealed that not only is Steele lagging behind his predecessors in raising money for the party, but that he's also spent nearly twice as much as any past chairman on things such as charter flights, pricey meals, and chauffered cars.

In response to the story, a Steele aide fired back, noting that the RNC has raised over $90 million in the last year for Republican candidates across the country.

"We are focused on two things, raising money and winning elections," said advisor Doug Heye. "We have sent money directly to state parties and have won three statewide elections."

Whether or not these controversies will wind up hampering the conservative movement's ability to put up a united front in fighting for their ideological causes obviously remains to be seen. That said, they do not come at a good time. Unless, of course, you're a Democrat.
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Rush is right about the GOP splitting. It really would mean giving Obama the path to being elected again, and getting more of his measures passed. :D

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Post by Ameri Boi » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:32 am

.....split split split...


Sometimes, I just wanna move to Canada and build a wall with our southern border...
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Post by NineOneFour » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:46 am

Ameri Boi wrote:.....split split split...


Sometimes, I just wanna move to Canada and build a wall with our southern border...

Shee-it, you're in Lodi, I'm in Texas.

I'd like to build a wall around Austin, San Antonio, and Houston and keep I-10 and I-35 within the walls for easy driveability.

Wait....that doesn't work.

Ah, crap.

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Post by eXcommunicate » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:50 am

My question is: When is the Left going to unite for an ideological battle? Whether we like it or not there is a culture war going on and for the past 20 years have been fighting it with one hand tied around our balls. I don't care about notions that the left is like herding cats (where have we heard that before?). We better unfuck ourselves or we'll wake up one day with President Palin, VP Todd Palin, and Secretary of State Glenn Beck laying a Cleveland Steamer over all the progress made over the past 100 years.
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Post by Ameri Boi » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:54 am

I'm too busy keeping my head in the sand so I dont have to hear the crazy antics of glen beck and sarah palin.....can't we just ask Canada to nuke us out of mercy?
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Post by eXcommunicate » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:09 am

Ameri Boi wrote:I'm too busy keeping my head in the sand so I dont have to hear the crazy antics of glen beck and sarah palin.....can't we just ask Canada to nuke us out of mercy?
Does Canada even have nukes? :funny:
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Post by goodboyCerberus » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:21 am

eXcommunicate wrote:We better unfuck ourselves or we'll wake up one day with President Palin, VP Todd Palin, and Secretary of State Glenn Beck laying a Cleveland Steamer over all the progress made over the past 100 years.
Americans aren't that stupid.

Seriously though... http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/200 ... -there-yet
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Post by NineOneFour » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:04 am

Beck's Brutal Version of a Perfect Society

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Glenn Beck's CPAC speech was a rare gem of political discourse. I encourage everyone to read it so that they really understand where modern conservatism is going. Some of my friends are quite accurately comparing his "progressivism is cancer" screed to fascist rhetoric by people like Mussolini and Franco, because the parallels are striking, but I want to focus more on how the speech's philosophy is a template for the conservative cause right now.

Beck's essential message was: I crawled my way from the dung pile without any help, and that's what makes America great, so we shouldn't help anyone in trouble. From his twisted personal story to his twisted vision of American history, Beck took rapturous CPACers on a classic tour of American conservative ideology. From his paranoid, delusional ranting about how liberals hate anyone successful to his Social Darwinist view of society and nature, he laid out the conservative line and took it to its logical conclusion. And the audience loved it. The quintessential moment in the speech? When Beck explained why we shouldn't be helping anyone in need: "There's some sort of element of competition to life. Oh, that's not natural. Really? Go watch the lions eat the weakest." And the audience burst into laughter and applause -- as I wrote the other day, these conservatives really are into cruelty, so the idea of lions eating the weak got them going.

Beyond the celebration of eating the weakest, they money paragraph on the speech was this classic rendition of conservative thought:
Glenn Beck wrote:We believe in the right of the individual. We believe in the right of the individual. We believe in the right, you can speak out, you can disagree with me, you can make your own path. But I'm not going to pay for your mistakes, and I don't expect you to pay for my mistakes. We're all going to make them, but we all have the right to move down that road. What we don't have a right to is: health care, housing, or handouts. We don't have those rights. Every time the government grows we lose more of who we are. When you give up your right to struggle... you're giving more of your freedom away.
In the conservative world view, each individual is on their own. The best society will be created if each of us goes our own way, with absolutely no help from anyone, and does exactly what we want to do, no matter who it hurts. Because that invisible hand of the marketplace makes individual greed a source of strength, and because if the weak are not "eaten," society itself becomes weaker. Like the Social Darwinists of the post-Civil War era, conservatives such as Beck clearly believe, as William Graham Sumner put it back in 1993, that every society faces only two alternatives: "liberty, survival of the fittest" or "liberty, equality, survival of the unfittest." Beck said, "As I read the Constitution...the only job of the United States government is to save us from bad guys." The way Sumner put it was that government had only one purpose, which was to protect "the property of men and the honor of women."

Conservatives' answer to the question "Am I my brother's keeper?" is a resounding Hell NO. And that is the essential divide between them and the progressivism which Beck describes as a cancer: progressives believe that all of us are in this together. When our child is weakened by a chronic illness, or our parent by old age, we don't abandon them in the wilderness so that the lion can eat them up (and then laugh about it). When our brother stumbles and hits bottom, we don't stand back and see if he can pull himself up by his own bootstraps, we lend him a helping hand. When our sister is abused and treated unfairly by an employer, we don't tell her she's on her own, we work with her to make things fairer. We believe in a community that helps each other survive and prosper, because we don't want to live in a world where only the strongest and wealthiest and -- yes -- luckiest survive. We don't have fantasies that all our success is of our own making because we know that without good families, good neighbors, good school and libraries and roads and bridges paid for by public dollars, that without all that, we'd be much less likely to make it on our own. In spite of Beck's paranoia, we have no problem with people being successful. I have never once heard any progressive attack Steve Jobs or Eric Schmidt for their success, or attack the local small businessperson making a good living because he or she is supplying products a community wants. But what we do believe is that those lucky enough to be successful have a responsibility to give something back to their fellow citizens.

I will choose the "weakness" of a compassionate society over the brutal kind of "let the lions eat the weak" vision of Glenn Beck's perfect society any day of the week. Am I my brother's keeper? My answer is yes.

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Post by Apollonius » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:25 am

eXcommunicate wrote:My question is: When is the Left going to unite for an ideological battle? Whether we like it or not there is a culture war going on and for the past 20 years have been fighting it with one hand tied around our balls. I don't care about notions that the left is like herding cats (where have we heard that before?). We better unfuck ourselves or we'll wake up one day with President Palin, VP Todd Palin, and Secretary of State Glenn Beck laying a Cleveland Steamer over all the progress made over the past 100 years.
I don't see it happening. Left/liberals are not that ideological. That is a characteristic of conservatism. That is why they focus on symbols, flags, pledges, tradition, and don't realize it when they say one thing and do another.

The Dems in the US are not that left anyway, they are just reformers and politicians.
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Post by Wumbologist » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:50 pm

eXcommunicate wrote:
Ameri Boi wrote:I'm too busy keeping my head in the sand so I dont have to hear the crazy antics of glen beck and sarah palin.....can't we just ask Canada to nuke us out of mercy?
Does Canada even have nukes? :funny:

The closest thing they have is the Mounties, and from what I understand they have a significantly smaller explosive yield. :ddpan:

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