Anyone for Democracy? (Zombie Coup derail)

[laklak]

I'm all for a Plutocracy. Worked for the Roman Empire for, what, 400 years?

Marcus Licinius Crassus FTW, mofo.

[Joe]

Didn't end well for the old boy though. He probably should have left the Parthians to Pompey.

[laklak]

My eldest daughter is Julia. Haven't found her a Pompey yet, though I remain sanguine, despite her rapidly lengthening teeth.

[Joe]

Where are your arguments that the Netherlands is not a democracy?

Joe never argued that the Netherlands is not a democracy.

What is he waffling on about then?

You'll find out what Joe actually wrote if you read his words rather than what you read into them.

This will satisfy his woolly boots:

The waffling of a crank who claims that "A democracy always degenerates into dictatorship" and who wrote that the Alaska Mental Health Bill of 1956 was a communist conspiracy to establish concentration camps on American soil is not going to impress him.

That riff sounds like it's from Plato's five regimes in The Republic. I could be misremembering though, I last read it 15 or 20 years ago. Anyway, it's a straw man because what constitutes a democracy today is substantially different from what the Athenian style democracy the US Constitutional Convention eschewed.

[pErvinalia]

Where are your arguments that the Netherlands is not a democracy?

He just doesn't get it, Joe

It's why arguing with Scot Dutchy is a fool's game.

[Joe]

Once again you have said FA. Your country is a corrupt plutocracy accept and move on. It is no where under any circumstances a democracy.
I never removed anything. Did you just dig up a load of crap and and think it is an argument? You are talking guff.
Where are your arguments that the Netherlands is not a democracy? I have proven enough that your country is a plutocracy or even a kleptocracy but never with the best will in the world is it a democracy. Just give your arguments pure and simple and stop waffling which is something you are pretty good at. Telling facts is not.
Leave the insults btw. Thank fuck almighty I dont live there.

Now Scot, saying something without supporting data doesn't prove anything. You've used the word corruption in 264 posts, but provided only 2 opinion videos about our for profit prison system. You've provided no data to show that the US is as corrupt as you say, only stated your opinion ad nauseum. Not good enough.

Care to provide some quantifiable data from a reputable source?

BTW, when I post this

Of course, if a Republic is not a representative democracy, then neither is a monarchy.

and you quote it

Of course, if a Republic is not a representative democracy, then neither is a monarchy.

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

Your ignorance is badly showing Joe. In Europe monarchies dont exist. Not a single country is a monarchy except Monaco. All European royal families have no power but of course you did not know that. They are handy to roll out when you have visitors. There are republics that are representative democracies but the USA fails at all counts as I have explained in previous postings.

Keep going Joe you may find something one day in that corrupt plutocracy. I will just carry on living in my directly elected democracy and enjoy my true freedoms. You still have not answered why this country is not a democracy. Go on try.

You can see the link is gone. Care to explain how that happened.

[Svartalf]

I'm all for a Plutocracy. Worked for the Roman Empire for, what, 400 years?

Marcus Licinius Crassus FTW, mofo.

I won't protest so long as my sportula is satisfactory.

[Svartalf]

My eldest daughter is Julia. Haven't found her a Pompey yet, though I remain sanguine, despite her rapidly lengthening teeth.

I'm a Calpurnius Piso, will she have me?

[pErvinalia]

She's too old for you Svarty, she's out of her teenage years...

[Joe]

Where are your arguments that the Netherlands is not a democracy?

He just doesn't get it, Joe

It's why arguing with Scot Dutchy is a fool's game.

His understanding interests me only mildly pErv. Every so often, a durable chew toy hits the spot.

[Svartalf]

She's too old for you Svarty, she's out of her teenage years...

Time I got used to ladies closer to my own biological age, wouldn't you think?

[pErvinalia]

Not too close. 21 is a good age...

[Svartalf]

I'm doing a big leap, trying to convince a 30 yo to become my friend

[Scot Dutchy]

Where are your arguments that the Netherlands is not a democracy?

He just doesn't get it, Joe

It's why arguing with Scot Dutchy is a fool's game.

His understanding interests me only mildly pErv. Every so often, a durable chew toy hits the spot.

I am only interested to see how far a bigoted yank is indoctrinated. You are just so typical Joe. You dont have a clue. You dont believe corruption has not always been present in your administration then more fool you.
The way your elections are organised? Your voting methods. Everything about your dump of a country. The poverty, bad health, education and social services. Your infrastructure is falling down yet no one is willing to pay for it.

Six Ways America Is Like a Third-World Country

Our society lags behind the rest of the developed world in education, health care, violence and more

Although the U.S. is one of the richest societies in history, it still lags behind other developed nations in many important indicators of human development – key factors like how we educate our children, how we treat our prisoners, how we take care of the sick and more. In some instances, the U.S.’s performance is downright abysmal, far below foreign countries that are snidely looked-down-upon as “third world.” Here are six of the most egregious examples that show how far we still have to go:

You could trawl through the OECD data but it does not make good reading as a true blooded American.

Even the OHCHR does not think much of your country:

Statement on Visit to the USA, by Professor Philip Alston, United Nations Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights*

Corruption?

Top 10 Ways the United States Is the Most Corrupt Country in the World

The United States fell 6 places to a ranking of only 22 in Transparency International’s‘s list of countries by corruption. Under Trump, America is not in the top 20 for fair dealing.

But as I have argued before, the United States is the most corrupt country in the world, and should be ranked 194, not 22. What follows is a much revised version of my popular list.

Joe enjoy a good read. Of course it is not true.

Here for the good order is the Corruption Perceptions Index for 2020. The USA has dropped another three places.

Strangely the majority of the top 10 are European with the Netherlands at number eight.

[Scot Dutchy]

Where are your arguments that the Netherlands is not a democracy?

He just doesn't get it, Joe

It's why arguing with Scot Dutchy is a fool's game.

Thank you (...). How do you know when you are the fool.