Capitalism and inequality in the US

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Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by Tero » Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:23 am

Not just the West, both coasts. There is a reason old people are piling into Florida and a few other states.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... inequality

My son noted that in general there is a lack of cheap housing of the type we had in the 1800s: boarding houses. Homeless shelters take the place of that.
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Post by Tero » Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:34 pm

California: both Democrats and Republicans block huge areas from "poor folks," single family homes only.

Wealthy California town cites mountain lion habitat to deny affordable housing
Officials in Woodside – a mansion-filled, tech entrepreneur enclave – claim wildcat land keeps them from building multi-unit homes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... evelopment
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
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And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
Our case for survival before it's too late

Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
Turn stone to bread right away...

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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by macdoc » Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:26 pm

I'd call it a failure of socialism - if gov allows predation on shelter without curbs ...then it's not an unexpected outcome.
Somehow speculation is not allowed on roads, parks, schools, water, sanitation even in some countries like Finland education but it is with few exceptions laissez -faire on shelter and some will choose to prey on the least advantage especially in North America where REITS monetize housing and make insane returns on a human necessity.
We shelter elders and uni students from housing rip offs but it's a free for all on the working stiff often in collusion with local gov.
Sweden therefore does not have a social housing system in the strictest sense of the term, defined as a type of subsidised housing aimed at low-income households, and Swedish municipalities must, under Swedish law, provide housing to all their inhabitants, regardless of their income
In Germany, social housing assistance aims to support those households which would otherwise not be able to find appropriate accommodation on the housing market. ... housing companies, cooperatives and individual builders) receive preferential loans or subsidies, for example. There is no right to funding assistance.
Without a curb on speculation and especially on big money the some will simply prey on the less fortunate and that is a social failure of gov and voters.

Some capitalists provide that housing for staff, some even allow ownership but forbid speculation

https://ca.indeed.com/Ski-Resort-With-S ... 0e1d7dc813

Company towns used to be common but then bad apples, especially in the coal mining industry ended with the same rip off or worse

It all comes down to the choice private organizations make to balance income with public weal....some need to be forced

Kellog is case study in helping its employees weather and even thrive in the Great Depression

and today one of the most famous
Here's What Really Happened at That Company That Set a $70,000 Minimum Wage
Dan Price decided to pay all 120 employees at least $70,000. Grown men cried. Profits soared. Then things got really crazy.
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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by Hermit » Sat Feb 05, 2022 9:52 pm

macdoc wrote:
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I'd call it a failure of socialism - if gov allows predation on shelter without curbs ...then it's not an unexpected outcome.
Nor is it socialism. :roll:
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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:54 pm

Indeed. ;)
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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by JimC » Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:46 pm

"Water and flowing downhill in the landscape..."
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Post by Tero » Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:34 pm

https://esapolitics.blogspot.com
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
Said Daemon, who's sorry too, but y'see we didn't have no choice
And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
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Our case for survival before it's too late

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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by laklak » Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:15 am

It could only be a "failure of socialism" if any municipality, state, or other government ever claimed to be socialist. We're not.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by JimC » Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:32 am

laklak wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:15 am
It could only be a "failure of socialism" if any municipality, state, or other government ever claimed to be socialist. We're not.
However, the US right is constantly describing potential actions by various levels of your government as "socialist", when they are nothing of the sort, simply processes or policies utterly commonplace in most other western democracies.
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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by laklak » Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:47 am

The U.S. right is as utterly full of shit as the U.S. left. what they say has no bearing on reality.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by JimC » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:47 am

Is there really a US left?
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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by Hermit » Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:05 am

JimC wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:47 am
Is there really a US left?
Yes. Much to laklak's joy only about 0.0001% of the population, though.
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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by Tero » Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:14 am

Yeah, if you support "abortion" and "voting" and anything with "black´" you are left. The radical left is out of control!

Also anything "global" is bad, Ukraine Finland and Sweden are bad. Only Israel and Hungary are good.
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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by laklak » Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:05 pm

Hermit wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:05 am
JimC wrote:
Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:47 am
Is there really a US left?
Yes. Much to laklak's joy only about 0.0001% of the population, though.
Rumor has it there's one in the neighborhood. No worries, we'll track them down from the smell of tofu.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Capitalism and inequality in the US

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:12 pm

Release the hounds!
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