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Post by Tero » Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:50 pm

But two assholes is a conspiracy.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:35 pm

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This is a really excellent book for the middle school years. It is NOT a clunky academic read at all and follows a clear narrative path.

I appreciate the author making regular vocab-definition 'pit-stops' throughout, rather than assuming readers just know every term used. And even saying that, the terminology isn't old or dated. It's contemporary, but may not be often heard.

Having been raised in the US, I had NEVER heard of Colfax in any history class prior to college. And in college I didn't seek out history. I also realize that US history for my Gen X generation was pretty much Columbus....Pilgrims...Revolution...Civil War...World War 2...Vietnam. And very, VERY little attention was given to a pluralistic historical narrative. Needless to say, I'm still unpacking all the legacy of that very limited, biased, and whitewashed history.

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This is not a book aimed at shaming anyone, really. But it would be hard to read and not feel shameful for the facts it conveys.
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Our case for survival before it's too late

Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Svartalf » Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:48 pm

Worse than that, it's a self righteous and supposedly well meaning asshole
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:30 pm

I read recently that the French oppose "woke" as yet another shoddy US cultural export.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:22 pm

Do the Woke label themselves that? I thought it was mainly pejorative?
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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:32 pm

So what. We use them for all sorts.

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Post by Svartalf » Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:50 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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Do the Woke label themselves that? I thought it was mainly pejorative?
Originally, when the word came from black organisations who urged their supporters to 'stay woke' about discriminations and ill treatments, I suppose they did.

With the recent wave of stupidity, I'm not sure whether it's borne as a badge of inclusivity, or used as a tag for people one dislikes.
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:05 am

It's odd because there may be nothing the woke crowd supports which anyone on the left opposes, and yet they still manage to be wrong about everything.

I like the take that this is because "woke" is something of a language contest between elites, whereas the issues are more substantive and real i.e. I can understand the need for transgender rights without being in a position to gain status arguing everyone of a different opinion is a bigot.

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Re: Critical Race Theory

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Sean Hayden wrote:It's odd because there may be nothing the woke crowd supports which anyone on the left opposes, and yet they still manage to be wrong about everything.

I like the take that this is because "woke" is something of a language contest between elites, whereas the issues are more substantive and real i.e. I can understand the need for transgender rights without being in a position to gain status arguing everyone of a different opinion is a bigot.

Aye, talking about these kind of issues is a knotty business. Like talking to the far-right about 'protecting our community' (or whatever they want to talk about in the way they want to talk about it), one wants people to have the space to be clear and complete about their veiws, beliefs and positions (isn't it what we would want for ourselves and our positions too?), but is it possible to create that context under an obligation (even informally) to withhold one's opinion about their position, just because it might annoy them? Even if we do withhold expressing an opinion in the conversation (either by agreement or out of politeness etc) we're almost certainly going to express it somewhere or to someone else - and when we do it's going to be a rather low opinion isn't it?

And then what happens when we do express our own views, our low opinion, about their position? Does that not open us up to the charge of only having that particular view on X,Y, or Z for status reasons; merely as a vehicle for advertising our own sense of our own correctness?

By my lights, charges of virtue signalling often shift the ground of discussion away from a critique of ideas and towards a judgement of character - a way of saying that someone only holds the views they do because their peer group or social environment required it; that if their peer group or social environment required them to think something different then they'd think that instead; that ultimately their views are not authentically theirs, and therefore they are probably inauthentic people who don't really think about what they think about X, Y, or Z. This degrades the conversation of course, because by making such a charge one opens oneself up to the same kinds of accusations by return - and I haven't even touched on where people might take this kind of accusatory approach deliberately, misrepresenting arguments as reflexive, unconsidered, habitual, socially expected, etc, for strategic or tactical reasons.

It seems to me that this is the kind of territory in which the term "Woke" now sits. As you imply, the Woke might be basically right to endorse, support, or agitating for things like civil and legal equality for trans people, but what distinguishes them as Woke is that they do this for the wrong reasons, and therefore, one assumes, they can probably be ignored, or at least chastised if not explicitly opposed. But then again, isn't anyone and everyone who endorses, supports, or agitates for things like civil and legal equality for trans people open to charges of Wokeism now, simply because Wokeism has become so closely associated with that kind of position - which is to say, associated with progressive and left leaning views? And where does that leave us left leaning and progressively minded people if not having to constantly qualify everything we say about our views in terms of how not-Woke we are?






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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Tero » Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:13 pm

It's "our way of life." Covers everything. Homes, guns, babies, Jesus, pretending we have a long history here. Where I live, it is a mere 150 years since we drove out the Indians. Some are still here. Nice casino in Sioux City. They are not Sioux.
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Post by JimC » Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:52 pm

To me, the term "woke" has the same sense of arrogant stupidity as the term "bright" for atheists did...
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:59 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Fri Dec 10, 2021 9:48 am
Sean Hayden wrote:It's odd because there may be nothing the woke crowd supports which anyone on the left opposes, and yet they still manage to be wrong about everything.

I like the take that this is because "woke" is something of a language contest between elites, whereas the issues are more substantive and real i.e. I can understand the need for transgender rights without being in a position to gain status arguing everyone of a different opinion is a bigot.

Aye, talking about these kind of issues is a knotty business. Like talking to the far-right about 'protecting our community' (or whatever they want to talk about in the way they want to talk about it), one wants people to have the space to be clear and complete about their veiws, beliefs and positions (isn't it what we would want for ourselves and our positions too?), but is it possible to create that context under an obligation (even informally) to withhold one's opinion about their position, just because it might annoy them? Even if we do withhold expressing an opinion in the conversation (either by agreement or out of politeness etc) we're almost certainly going to express it somewhere or to someone else - and when we do it's going to be a rather low opinion isn't it?

And then what happens when we do express our own views, our low opinion, about their position? Does that not open us up to the charge of only having that particular view on X,Y, or Z for status reasons; merely as a vehicle for advertising our own sense of our own correctness?

By my lights, charges of virtue signalling often shift the ground of discussion away from a critique of ideas and towards a judgement of character - a way of saying that someone only holds the views they do because their peer group or social environment required it; that if their peer group or social environment required them to think something different then they'd think that instead; that ultimately their views are not authentically theirs, and therefore they are probably inauthentic people who don't really think about what they think about X, Y, or Z. This degrades the conversation of course, because by making such a charge one opens oneself up to the same kinds of accusations by return - and I haven't even touched on where people might take this kind of accusatory approach deliberately, misrepresenting arguments as reflexive, unconsidered, habitual, socially expected, etc, for strategic or tactical reasons.

It seems to me that this is the kind of territory in which the term "Woke" now sits. As you imply, the Woke might be basically right to endorse, support, or agitating for things like civil and legal equality for trans people, but what distinguishes them as Woke is that they do this for the wrong reasons, and therefore, one assumes, they can probably be ignored, or at least chastised if not explicitly opposed. But then again, isn't anyone and everyone who endorses, supports, or agitates for things like civil and legal equality for trans people open to charges of Wokeism now, simply because Wokeism has become so closely associated with that kind of position - which is to say, associated with progressive and left leaning views? And where does that leave us left leaning and progressively minded people if not having to constantly qualify everything we say about our views in terms of how not-Woke we are?
We, most of us, don't play to the crowd nearly as often as our thought leaders. We all do it, but not to the same extent. So, while I'm allowed to acknowledge a person's normal hesitancy to accept all things transgender for example, calling it anything but bigoted lunacy/stupidity would amount to settling for something less than first prize in social standing for the elites.

That's the language contest.

Where it leaves me is where I've always been: largely able to see the good and bad in most of us, and away from the extremes --usually.

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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Tero » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:46 am

First bill to protect WHITE PEOPLE as a race
(CNN)A bill backed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis that would prohibit Florida's public schools and private businesses from making people feel "discomfort" or "guilt" based on their race, sex or national origin received first approval Tuesday by the state's Senate Education Committee.

The Republican-controlled committee approved the bill with six Republican senators in favor of the bill and three Democratic senators opposed to it.
Although the bill, named "Individual Freedom," does not mention Critical Race Theory, the term is used in the attached bill analysis that was given to senators.
It would also prohibit employers from providing training or instruction that "espouses, promotes, advances, inculcates, or compels" individuals to believe "that an individual bears responsibility for, or should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment because of actions committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, sex or national origin."

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