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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by laklak » Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:04 am

I took Morgan's remarks to mean we shouldn't see racism where it doesn't actually exist. Perhaps I'm too nuanced for this world.
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Tero » Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:22 am

laklak wrote:
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I took Morgan's remarks to mean we shouldn't see racism where it doesn't actually exist. Perhaps I'm too nuanced for this world.
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by rainbow » Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:40 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:12 pm
macdoc wrote:
macdoc wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:59 pm
Talk about bigotry all you want ...continuing the myth that there are human races just plays into the agenda and gets tiresome.
Freeman is correct
How does one talk about the bigotry that is racism without acknowledging that some people think race is a real thing?
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Hermit » Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:13 pm

Seabass wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:28 pm
The Morgan Freeman theory blames racism on anti-racists instead of racists.
Morgan Freeman does no such thing. Listen to this carefully. His proposed solution to racism is wrong, of course. The list of problems that have been solved by not talking about them is very short indeed. That said, I cannot find a source proving that he blames racism on anti-racists instead of racists.
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Seabass » Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:20 pm

Hermit wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:13 pm
Seabass wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:28 pm
The Morgan Freeman theory blames racism on anti-racists instead of racists.
Morgan Freeman does no such thing. Listen to this carefully. His proposed solution to racism is wrong, of course. The list of problems that have been solved by not talking about them is very short indeed. That said, I cannot find a source proving that he blames racism on anti-racists instead of racists.
He doesn't explicitly say it, but if one believes that racism still exists because people keep talking about it, and that it would go away if people would just stop talking about it, this implies that racism would simply run its course and racists would stop being racist if everyone else would just stop talking about racism. Who else, other than racists, talks about racism? Usually the people who are actively involved in the fight against it.
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Hermit » Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:34 pm

Seabass wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:20 pm
Hermit wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:13 pm
Seabass wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:28 pm
The Morgan Freeman theory blames racism on anti-racists instead of racists.
Morgan Freeman does no such thing. Listen to this carefully. His proposed solution to racism is wrong, of course. The list of problems that have been solved by not talking about them is very short indeed. That said, I cannot find a source proving that he blames racism on anti-racists instead of racists.
He doesn't explicitly say it, but if one believes that racism still exists because people keep talking about it, and that it would go away if people would just stop talking about it, this implies that racism would simply run its course and racists would stop being racist if everyone else would just stop talking about racism. Who else, other than racists, talks about racism? Usually the people who are actively involved in the fight against it.
That would be the logical destination of his train of thought, but what are the odds he ever travelled on it that far? I think that not only did Freeman not ever explicitly say anything like anti-racists are to blame for racism instead of racists, but the very thought never occurred to him either.
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Seabass » Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:11 pm

Hermit wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:34 pm
Seabass wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:20 pm
Hermit wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:13 pm
Seabass wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:28 pm
The Morgan Freeman theory blames racism on anti-racists instead of racists.
Morgan Freeman does no such thing. Listen to this carefully. His proposed solution to racism is wrong, of course. The list of problems that have been solved by not talking about them is very short indeed. That said, I cannot find a source proving that he blames racism on anti-racists instead of racists.
He doesn't explicitly say it, but if one believes that racism still exists because people keep talking about it, and that it would go away if people would just stop talking about it, this implies that racism would simply run its course and racists would stop being racist if everyone else would just stop talking about racism. Who else, other than racists, talks about racism? Usually the people who are actively involved in the fight against it.
That would be the logical destination of his train of thought, but what are the odds he ever travelled on it that far? I think that not only did Freeman not ever explicitly say anything like anti-racists are to blame for racism instead of racists, but the very thought never occurred to him either.
Right, that's why I said "the Morgan Freeman theory" rather than Morgan Freeman. I was just extrapolating his thinking out to its logical end. I suppose I could have been more clear. My bad.
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Hermit » Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:57 pm

Seabass wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:11 pm
Hermit wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:34 pm
Seabass wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 6:20 pm
Hermit wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:13 pm
Seabass wrote:
Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:28 pm
The Morgan Freeman theory blames racism on anti-racists instead of racists.
Morgan Freeman does no such thing. Listen to this carefully. His proposed solution to racism is wrong, of course. The list of problems that have been solved by not talking about them is very short indeed. That said, I cannot find a source proving that he blames racism on anti-racists instead of racists.
He doesn't explicitly say it, but if one believes that racism still exists because people keep talking about it, and that it would go away if people would just stop talking about it, this implies that racism would simply run its course and racists would stop being racist if everyone else would just stop talking about racism. Who else, other than racists, talks about racism? Usually the people who are actively involved in the fight against it.
That would be the logical destination of his train of thought, but what are the odds he ever travelled on it that far? I think that not only did Freeman not ever explicitly say anything like anti-racists are to blame for racism instead of racists, but the very thought never occurred to him either.
Right, that's why I said "the Morgan Freeman theory" rather than Morgan Freeman. I was just extrapolating his thinking out to its logical end. I suppose I could have been more clear. My bad.
No worries. We don't disagree as much as it first appeared. I still would not label the logical consequence of Freeman's proposal as part of his theory. Someone who comes up with the toddler-like idea that racism disappears when one doesn't mention purported racial differences is hardly capable to draw those conclusions. Freeman is a likeable and popular actor, but as a thinker he is a zero.
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by macdoc » Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:17 am

What smug piece of shite..... you're as bigoted as the worst Florida cracker.. ...... :nono:
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:24 am

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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:02 am

macdoc wrote:
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What smug piece of shite..... you're as bigoted as the worst Florida cracker.. ...... :nono:
We understand it's a challenging subject for you. It seems silly perhaps; frivolous, to talk about something which isn't real, which has no basis in science, or reality for that matter. But like, say, religion, it's nonetheless something that has real material impacts on people and on political policy.

If you've been paying attention you know that nobody here thinks that 'race' denotes a set of distinct, bounded categories of humans. However, a series of your posts seems to imply that, by talking about people who do think and act as if 'race' is a normal, natural, legitimate way to categorise people, we automatically subscribe to the 'race is real' camp, or if not subscribe, legitimise that point of view. Why? You've expressed your frustration well enough, but what is it about this discussion which frustrates you so much that you feel justified to call avowed anti-racists bigots?

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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:03 am

I thought my reply was better...
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Hermit » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:19 am

Just guessing now: Maybe Macdoc thinks that describing someone's thought process as toddler-like and his notability as a thinker as zero makes me automatically as bigoted as the worst Florida cracker if the target of my negative description happens to be black.

If my guess is right Macdoc would not regard me as bigoted as the worst Florida cracker if Morgan Freeman were Caucasian and I wrote the exact same things.
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by rainbow » Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:23 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:02 am
macdoc wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:17 am
What smug piece of shite..... you're as bigoted as the worst Florida cracker.. ...... :nono:
We understand it's a challenging subject for you. It seems silly perhaps; frivolous, to talk about something which isn't real, which has no basis in science, or reality for that matter. But like, say, religion, it's nonetheless something that has real material impacts on people and on political policy.
Like religious nuts, racists aren't going to be persuaded by telling them they're wrong.
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Re: Critical Race Theory

Post by Tero » Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:14 pm

Critical Theory itself, a fuzzy concept
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