George Floyd protests
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Supervisor to approve tear gas at protest
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Someone I follow on Twitter lost her eye from a rubber bullet at the protests.
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How dare people question an unquestionable authority with a baton and a badge.
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Our mayor learning new stuff. I guess they did not teach leading the community while white at the mayoring school. She is a Democrat.
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I'm sorry Judge dumb-ass, but we have an epidemic and all protests have been suspend. Why it was on the news just three weeks ago how irresponsible and dangerous protests are and people need to obey social distancing. So now we must forcibly quarantine all protesters for two weeks in Obama FEMA campsTero wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:16 amSupervisor to approve tear gas at protest
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
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And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
Our case for survival before it's too late
Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
Turn stone to bread right away...
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People throwing rocks and homemade bombs confront armed riot police and suffer injuries. Video at 11. Talk about "well, duh".
Nobody ever said storming the barricades was going to be easy. Fucking pussies, not a real revolutionary among 'em.
Nobody ever said storming the barricades was going to be easy. Fucking pussies, not a real revolutionary among 'em.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Re: George Floyd protests
The people in column A are talking about protests. The people in column B are talking about quarantine.
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Black lives matter vs. Trump and his followers
There's just been a lot going on, with our coronavirus social distancing and then an event, a rather small event as far as abuse of blacks and police brutality goes (Rodney King anyone, Watts riots?*). This thing has been going on for decades, and I don't even know what the solution would be.
It could have been a protest, nationwide, left to mayors to handle. The states also have national guard units.
But Trump could not leave it alone. Using the special situation of Washington DC not being a state and screaming "LAW AND ORDER" in his tweets, he had Bill Barr bring in special troops.
From various federal agencies in uniforms suitable for riots, they had no credentials, no named, no insignia. As Rachel Maddow pointed out, we must be able to identify which law enforcement unit abused us. It is a right that goes beyond local law, but you would sue your city.
On top of this, assorted false actors stepped in to make a bigger mess. The looters and rioters may have been city folk, but outsiders did interfere. But they were not so called "antifa," which in fact does not even exist. People protesting against white supremacists were simply labeled that, but they are not in any way organized.
So how do these things organize then? We have social media, where people can announce their peaceful or other protests ahead of time. Then people appear. I would certainly be mad if I saw George Floyd executed in a phone video clip, and if I were black I probably would have been out there.
I have protested Trump, climate change, our rights etc. many times. But it was probably best I did not go out. Even in our small city there was looting, damage and people injured. I did not want to be the 70-year old man that the police in Buffalo knocked over.
So, what can be done? Not much, federally. Congress cannot require states to retrain their police, it's a state matter. They can withhold federal funding for other things, until the states reform. Bail is an outdated system, and poor people that might not get any jail time for their more minor crimes may sit in jail until their case comes up. I believe some bigger cities have scrapped this for the duration of our coronavirus pandemic. Jails full of people is not going to help us.
*Watts riots:
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On August 11, 1965, Marquette Frye, an African-American motorist on parole for robbery, was pulled over for reckless driving. A minor roadside argument broke out, which then escalated into a fight with police.[2] Community members reported that the police had hurt a pregnant woman, and six days of civil unrest followed.[3] Nearly 14,000 members of the California Army National Guard [4] helped suppress the disturbance, which resulted in 34 deaths[5] and over $40 million in property damage.[6] It was the city's worst unrest until the Rodney King riots of 1992.
Black lives matter vs. Trump and his followers
There's just been a lot going on, with our coronavirus social distancing and then an event, a rather small event as far as abuse of blacks and police brutality goes (Rodney King anyone, Watts riots?*). This thing has been going on for decades, and I don't even know what the solution would be.
It could have been a protest, nationwide, left to mayors to handle. The states also have national guard units.
But Trump could not leave it alone. Using the special situation of Washington DC not being a state and screaming "LAW AND ORDER" in his tweets, he had Bill Barr bring in special troops.
From various federal agencies in uniforms suitable for riots, they had no credentials, no named, no insignia. As Rachel Maddow pointed out, we must be able to identify which law enforcement unit abused us. It is a right that goes beyond local law, but you would sue your city.
On top of this, assorted false actors stepped in to make a bigger mess. The looters and rioters may have been city folk, but outsiders did interfere. But they were not so called "antifa," which in fact does not even exist. People protesting against white supremacists were simply labeled that, but they are not in any way organized.
So how do these things organize then? We have social media, where people can announce their peaceful or other protests ahead of time. Then people appear. I would certainly be mad if I saw George Floyd executed in a phone video clip, and if I were black I probably would have been out there.
I have protested Trump, climate change, our rights etc. many times. But it was probably best I did not go out. Even in our small city there was looting, damage and people injured. I did not want to be the 70-year old man that the police in Buffalo knocked over.
So, what can be done? Not much, federally. Congress cannot require states to retrain their police, it's a state matter. They can withhold federal funding for other things, until the states reform. Bail is an outdated system, and poor people that might not get any jail time for their more minor crimes may sit in jail until their case comes up. I believe some bigger cities have scrapped this for the duration of our coronavirus pandemic. Jails full of people is not going to help us.
*Watts riots:
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On August 11, 1965, Marquette Frye, an African-American motorist on parole for robbery, was pulled over for reckless driving. A minor roadside argument broke out, which then escalated into a fight with police.[2] Community members reported that the police had hurt a pregnant woman, and six days of civil unrest followed.[3] Nearly 14,000 members of the California Army National Guard [4] helped suppress the disturbance, which resulted in 34 deaths[5] and over $40 million in property damage.[6] It was the city's worst unrest until the Rodney King riots of 1992.
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https://next.inquirer.com/article/news/ ... 00604.htmlA Temple University student arrested during protests Monday was released from custody Wednesday after video surfaced of one police officer striking him in the head with a baton and another using his knee to pin the student’s face to the street.
Prosecutors dismissed the charges against Evan Gorski, 21, an engineering student, after viewing the YouTube and Twitter videos, according to his attorney, R. Emmett Madden.
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Bill Barr's army with no insignia and no authority
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
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What bunch of soyboy losers.
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89 former Defense officials: The military must never be used to violate constitutional rights
President Trump continues to use inflammatory language as many Americans protest the unlawful death of George Floyd and the unjust treatment of black Americans by our justice system. As the protests have grown, so has the intensity of the president’s rhetoric. He has gone so far as to make a shocking promise: to send active-duty members of the U.S. military to “dominate” protesters in cities throughout the country — with or without the consent of local mayors or state governors.
On Monday, the president previewed his approach on the streets of Washington. He had 1,600 troops from around the country transported to the D.C. area, and placed them on alert, as an unnamed Pentagon official put it, “to ensure faster employment if necessary.” As part of the show of force that Trump demanded, military helicopters made low-level passes over peaceful protesters — a military tactic sometimes used to disperse enemy combatants — scattering debris and broken glass among the crowd. He also had a force, including members of the National Guard and federal officers, that used flash-bang grenades, pepper spray and, according to eyewitness accounts, rubber bullets to drive lawful protesters, as well as members of the media and clergy, away from the historic St. John’s Episcopal Church. All so he could hold a politically motivated photo op there with members of his team, including, inappropriately, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Looting and violence are unacceptable acts, and perpetrators should be arrested and duly tried under the law. But as Monday’s actions near the White House demonstrated, those committing such acts are largely on the margins of the vast majority of predominantly peaceful protests. While several past presidents have called on our armed services to provide additional aid to law enforcement in times of national crisis — among them Ulysses S. Grant, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson — these presidents used the military to protect the rights of Americans, not to violate them.
As former leaders in the Defense Department — civilian and military, Republican, Democrat and independent — we all took an oath upon assuming office “to support and defend the Constitution of the United States,” as did the president and all members of the military, a fact that Gen. Milley pointed out in a recent memorandum to members of the armed forces. We are alarmed at how the president is betraying this oath by threatening to order members of the U.S. military to violate the rights of their fellow Americans.
President Trump has given governors a stark choice: either end the protests that continue to demand equal justice under our laws, or expect that he will send active-duty military units into their states. While the Insurrection Act gives the president the legal authority to do so, this authority has been invoked only in the most extreme conditions when state or local authorities were overwhelmed and were unable to safeguard the rule of law. Historically, as Secretary Esper has pointed out, it has rightly been seen as a tool of last resort.
Beyond being unnecessary, using our military to quell protests across the country would also be unwise. This is not the mission our armed forces signed up for: They signed up to fight our nation’s enemies and to secure — not infringe upon — the rights and freedoms of their fellow Americans. In addition, putting our servicemen and women in the middle of politically charged domestic unrest risks undermining the apolitical nature of the military that is so essential to our democracy. It also risks diminishing Americans’ trust in our military — and thus America’s security — for years to come.
As defense leaders who share a deep commitment to the Constitution, to freedom and justice for all Americans, and to the extraordinary men and women who volunteer to serve and protect our nation, we call on the president to immediately end his plans to send active-duty military personnel into cities as agents of law enforcement, or to employ them or any another military or police forces in ways that undermine the constitutional rights of Americans. The members of our military are always ready to serve in our nation’s defense. But they must never be used to violate the rights of those they are sworn to protect.
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Jeremy Bash, chief of staff to the defense secretary
Jeffrey P. Bialos, former deputy under secretary of defense for industrial affairs
Susanna V. Blume, former deputy chief of staff to the deputy defense secretary
Ian Brzezinski, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Europe and NATO
Gabe Camarillo, former assistant secretary of the Air Force
Kurt M. Campbell, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Asia and the Pacific
Michael Carpenter, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia
Rebecca Bill Chavez, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Western hemisphere affairs
Derek Chollet, former assistant defense secretary for international security affairs
Dan Christman, retired lieutenant general in the U.S. Army and former assistant to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
James Clapper, former under secretary of defense for intelligence and director of national intelligence
Eliot A. Cohen, former member of planning staff for the defense department and former member of the Defense Policy Board
Erin Conaton, former under secretary of defense for personnel and readiness
John Conger, former principal deputy under secretary of defense
Peter S. Cooke, retired major general of the U.S. Army Reserve
Richard Danzig, former secretary of the U.S. Navy
Janine Davidson, former under secretary of the U.S. Navy
Robert L. Deitz, former general counsel at the National Security Agency
Abraham M. Denmark, former deputy assistant defense secretary for East Asia
Michael B. Donley, former secretary of the U.S. Air Force
John W. Douglass, retired brigadier general in the U.S. Air Force and former assistant secretary of the U.S. Navy
Raymond F. DuBois, former acting under secretary of the U.S. Army
Eric Edelman, former under secretary of defense for policy
Eric Fanning, former secretary of the U.S. Army
Evelyn N. Farkas, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia
Michèle A. Flournoy, former under secretary of defense for policy
Nelson M. Ford, former under secretary of the U.S. Army
Alice Friend, former principal director for African affairs in the office of the under defense secretary for policy
John A. Gans Jr., former speechwriter for the defense secretary
Sherri Goodman, former deputy under secretary of defense for environmental security
André Gudger, former deputy assistant defense secretary for manufacturing and industrial base policy
Robert Hale, former under secretary of defense and Defense Department comptroller
Michael V. Hayden, retired general in the U.S. Air Force and former director of the National Security Agency and CIA
Mark Hertling, retired lieutenant general in the U.S. Army and former commanding general of U.S. Army Europe
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John P. Jumper, retired general of the U.S. Air Force and former chief of staff of the Air Force
Colin H. Kahl, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Middle East policy
Mara E. Karlin, former deputy assistant defense secretary for strategy and force development
Frank Kendall, former under secretary of defense for acquisition, technology and logistics
Susan Koch, former deputy assistant defense secretary for threat-reduction policy
Ken Krieg, former under secretary of defense for acquisition, technology and logistics
J. William Leonard, former deputy assistant defense secretary for security and information operations
Steven J. Lepper, retired major general of the U.S. Air Force
George Little, former Pentagon press secretary
William J. Lynn III, former deputy defense secretary
Ray Mabus, former secretary of the U.S. Navy and former governor of Mississippi
Kelly Magsamen, former principal deputy assistant defense secretary for Asian and Pacific security affairs
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Henry J. Schweiter, former deputy assistant defense secretary
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Julianne Smith, former deputy national security adviser to the vice president and former principal director for Europe and NATO policy
Paula Thornhill, retired brigadier general of the Air Force and former principal director for Near Eastern and South Asian affairs
Jim Townsend, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Europe and NATO policy
Sandy Vershbow, former assistant defense secretary for international security affairs
Michael Vickers, former under secretary of defense for intelligence
Celeste Wallander, former deputy assistant defense secretary for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia
Andrew Weber, former assistant defense secretary for nuclear, chemical and biological defense programs
William F. Wechsler, former deputy assistant defense secretary for special operations and combating terrorism
Doug Wilson, former assistant defense secretary for public affairs
Anne A. Witkowsky, former deputy assistant defense secretary for stability and humanitarian affairs
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Carl Woog, former deputy assistant to the defense secretary for communications
Robert O. Work, former deputy defense secretary
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All the women are nasty, and the men are liberal stooges!
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