The thread title neither says nor implies anything about limiting anyone's rights. Wtf are you talking about??You only have to look at the thread title here to draw a parallel so I won't labour the point.
Trump Supporters are Imbeciles
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You'll need to give me a bit more to go on I'm afraid.
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You don't know what you wrote? Your meaning was clear, and it is totally off-base.
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No, I know what I wrote, I'm just not sure why, if my meaning was clear, you are asking me what I'm talking about? To be charitable, I just think you're being too literal as a far as that one sentence goes. Overall I think it's pretty clear that I'm questioning whether setting up a kind of simple dichotomy between 'clever' and 'stupid' people in this context is wise, or useful, or perhaps counter productive even if it's understandable to some extent.
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Yes, Brian, I understand all of that. We're all brainwashed with all sorts of nonsense when we're young, and that can become part of our identity. Religion, political ideology, sports team, party affiliation, our locality or region (eg southerner, New Yorker...). In fact, I have stated multiple times that US politics is not about policy and really about cultural tribalism. You responded in agreement to one of those statements, so now I'm wondering what you think I meant by that.
The problem with this, taken to its logical end, is if say Stephen Miller identifies as a white supremacist, and I criticize him or insult him, then I'm the one who's doing identity politics and am therefore a bigot. At some point it becomes counterproductive to be tolerant of intolerance. One famous example of this is of course Nazi Germany, hence the comparisons.
As I've said before, I've already gone through the "Republicans aren't that bad" phase of my life. I have Republicans in my family and I have friends who are ex-Republicans. This insanity is something all sane Americans have to deal with. For me, this isn't some abstract, foreign, silly thing that I can watch with bemusement from across the ocean. You're a white guy living in Britain and I'm a yellow guy living Trumpmerica. The stakes are a bit higher for me. The Fox News fantasy realm is insane and terrifying, and the Republicans are working tirelessly day and night to drag the rest of us into it. I'm just fed up, Brian. And I'm not the only one. I don't know what else to tell you. Civility is dead in the US. Republicans killed when they chose this thing:
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The real question here seems to be how deeply racist and right-wing attitudes have seeped into your average Trump voter, or are they voting for Trump because their economic circumstances made them deeply angry at a perceived elite that doesn't care about them? Are there well-structured surveys which can tease this out?
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https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2 ... -data-say/JimC wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:20 pmThe real question here seems to be how deeply racist and right-wing attitudes have seeped into your average Trump voter, or are they voting for Trump because their economic circumstances made them deeply angry at a perceived elite that doesn't care about them? Are there well-structured surveys which can tease this out?
he Brookings Cafeteria podcast last week discussed the role President Trump’s racist rhetoric has played in encouraging violence in America. Predictably, some podcast listeners responded skeptically on Twitter, doubting the association between Trump and hateful behavior. It would be naïve to think that data will change many individuals’ minds on this topic, but nonetheless, there is substantial evidence that Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it.
First, Donald Trump’s support in the 2016 campaign was clearly driven by racism, sexism, and xenophobia. While some observers have explained Trump’s success as a result of economic anxiety, the data demonstrate that anti-immigrant sentiment, racism, and sexism are much more strongly related to support for Trump. Trump’s much-discussed vote advantage with non-college-educated whites is misleading; when accounting for racism and sexism, the education gap among whites in the 2016 election returns to the typical levels of previous elections since 2000. Trump did not do especially well with non-college-educated whites, compared to other Republicans. He did especially well with white people who express sexist views about women and who deny racism exists.
Even more alarmingly, there is a clear correlation between Trump campaign events and incidents of prejudiced violence. FBI data show that since Trump’s election there has been an anomalous spike in hate crimes concentrated in counties where Trump won by larger margins. It was the second-largest uptick in hate crimes in the 25 years for which data are available, second only to the spike after September 11, 2001. Though hate crimes are typically most frequent in the summer, in 2016 they peaked in the fourth quarter (October-December). This new, higher rate of hate crimes continued throughout 2017.
The association between Trump and hate crimes is not limited to the election itself. Another study, based on data collected by the Anti-Defamation League, shows that counties that hosted a Trump campaign rally in 2016 saw hate crime rates more than double compared to similar counties that did not host a rally.
The data analysis discussed above has centered on correlations; they are suggestive of a link between Trump and racist attitudes and behavior, but do not actually demonstrate that one leads to the other. However, there is also causal evidence to point to. In experiments, being exposed to Trump’s rhetoric actually increases expressions of prejudice. In a 2017 survey, researchers randomly exposed some respondents to racist comments by the president, such as:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems… They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
Other respondents were exposed to a statement by Hillary Clinton condemning prejudiced Trump supporters. Later in the study, the respondents were asked their opinion of various groups, including Mexican people, black people, and young people. Those who had read Trump’s words were more likely to write derogatory things not only about Mexican people, but also about other groups as well. By contrast, those who were exposed to Clinton’s words were less likely to express offensive views towards Muslims. Words do matter, and data prove it.
Unfortunately, there is little reason to expect this research to have much impact on public attitudes; increasingly, partisanship skews what Americans think qualifies as racist. But there is no excuse for avoiding clear, accurate descriptions of American political dynamics. When the data show that President Trump’s support stems from racist and sexist beliefs, and that his election emboldened Americans to engage in racist behavior, it is the responsibility of social scientists and other political observers to say so.
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I read this book not too long ago. This guy collected a bunch of data, conducted a ton of interviews, and what he found was that overwhelmingly, the sentiment from poor, white, rural America is that they don't want their hard earned tax dollars going to black and brown people who in their minds don't contribute. We're talking about destitute, broken down white people ON GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE who are dying from some corporation dumping toxic shit in their communities, but what terrifies them is the evil government taking their hard earned money and giving it to "moochers" and "welfare queens". It is IMPOSSIBLE to overstate the damage that Fox News, Breitbart, Limbaugh, and Coulter have done to this country.JimC wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:20 pmThe real question here seems to be how deeply racist and right-wing attitudes have seeped into your average Trump voter, or are they voting for Trump because their economic circumstances made them deeply angry at a perceived elite that doesn't care about them? Are there well-structured surveys which can tease this out?
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It's not ALL racism though, obviously. Some people just vote Republican by default because that's how things are where they grew up. It's the stupid cultural divide happens inevitably in FPTP. It's a mistake, however, to think that race issues aren't a HUGE factor contributing to this mess...JimC wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:20 pmThe real question here seems to be how deeply racist and right-wing attitudes have seeped into your average Trump voter, or are they voting for Trump because their economic circumstances made them deeply angry at a perceived elite that doesn't care about them? Are there well-structured surveys which can tease this out?
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yeah, you understand, religious freedums trump (pun intended) necessities of public health.
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What are Trump supporters thinking? A Late Show sent Triumph the Insult Comic Dog to do a focus group with actual Trump supporters to find out what they think about some fake Trump campaign ads.
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