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Re: Spygate is unravelling

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:50 pm

Boring, and predictable. :tea:
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:53 pm

Unsupported claim
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Thank you for providing support, as predicted.
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Your welcome.
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Post by Tero » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:10 am

They have nothing:
Of course, that points us to the final problem with Durham’s investigation: His assignment was to investigate the origins of the Russia investigation. The DOJ inspector general already found that the investigation opened in July 2016 was properly predicated on information received from a government ally about statements Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos regarding stolen email messages. Any statement made by Sussmann months later could not possibly have sparked the Russia investigation.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:00 am

Sussman's lawyers appear to be competent. Durham presumably knows better than to run with this, but is desperate to produce something after years of supposedly assembling evidence of the FBI and the Obama administration's vicious attack on the Trump campaign. Unravelling indeed.
Michael Sussman's lawyers enumerate the weaknesses in Special Counsel Durham's indictment tonight in their first substantive motion in the criminal case.

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While the Indictment in this matter is 27 pages long, the majority of the allegations are not relevant to the crime the Special Counsel has chosen to charge. And on that charge, a single alleged false statement, the Indictment plainly fails to provide Mr. Sussmann with the detail and clarity that the law requires and that is essential in enabling Mr. Sussmann to prepare his defense. As set forth in greater detail below: First, the Indictment fails to allege the precise false statement that Mr. Sussmann purportedly made. It is simply not enough for the Indictment to make allegations generally about the substance of the purported false statement. Rather, the law requires that the Special Counsel identify the specific false statement made, i.e., the precise words that were allegedly used. It is particularly critical for Mr. Sussmann to receive notice of the precise false statement being charged given that: (a) the statement is unrecorded, five years old, and witnessed by only a single individual who has already disclaimed memory of the statement; and (b) the Indictment itself lacks a single consistent theory about even the substance of the false statement, sometimes suggesting that Mr. Sussmann said he was not meeting with the FBI on behalf of any client, while other times claiming that Mr. Sussmann said he was not doing work on the Russian Bank issue on behalf of any client. ...

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Post by rainbow » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:32 am

Well I miss Cnut and her unique perspective on this.
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Post by Joe » Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:06 am

I guess you could look up that Youtuber, Chowder or something, and see what he's saying. It's probably pretty close to our member from Yellowknife's unique perspective.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:53 am

I'm no fan of David Frum (Republican apparatchik/conservative pundit), but I credit him with unwillingness to become a Trumpist stooge.

'It Wasn't a Hoax'
It remains fact that Russian hackers and spies helped [Trump's] campaign. It remains fact that the Trump campaign welcomed the help. It remains fact that Trump’s campaign chairman sought to share proprietary campaign information with a person whom the Senate report identified as a “Russian intelligence officer.” It remains fact that Trump hoped to score a huge payday in Russia even as he ran for president. It remains fact that Trump and those around him lied, and lied, and lied again about their connections to Russia.

Outright pro-Trump people remain deeply invested in those lies. But Trump’s media effort has often relied heavily on people who are not pro-him, but anti-anti-him. And the secret to successful anti-anti-Trumping has always been to fasten onto side issues and “whatabouts.”

Anti-anti-Trump journalists want to use the Steele controversy to score points off politicians and media institutions that they dislike. But as media malpractice goes, credulous reliance upon the Steele dossier is just a speck compared with—for example—the willingness of the top-rated shows on Fox News to promote the fantasy that the Democratic Party hacked itself, then murdered a staffer named Seth Rich to cover up the self-hack. (Some versions of this false claim include suggesting that Rich himself committed the crime.) Fox News ultimately settled with Rich’s family for an undisclosed sum even as the Fox host who had done most to promote the false story insisted on his radio show that he had retracted nothing. The story was crazy and cruel. But the story protected Trump, and that was proof enough for a media organization much more powerful than any of those that accepted the Steele dossier.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:33 am

The transcript of an interview of the FBI's general counsel by its inspector general appears to blow Durham's case against Sussmann away. That will leave just one minor conviction to his credit after years of pursuing 'Spygate.'

'Why Durham's Prosecution Of Trump Conspiracy Claims Is Falling Apart'
In September 2020, attorney and cybersecurity specialist Michael Sussmann was charged with lying to the FBI — an indictment that resulted from Special Counsel John H. Durham’s probe of the 2016 Russia investigation. Now, according to New York Times reporter Charlie Savage, Sussmann’s defense team is asking for the trial date to be set sooner than what the prosecution has requested.

And the team defending Sussman, who was part of a firm working for the Democratic Party in 2016, argued in the new filing that the case against him is even weaker than it initially appeared.

“Newly disclosed evidence” in The United States of America v. Michael A. Sussmann, according to Savage, could “make it harder for” Durham to “prove beyond a reasonable doubt that” Sussmann is “guilty of the charge against him: making a false statement to the FBI during a September 2016 meeting about possible links between Donald J. Trump and Russia.”

Durham was essentially instructed by former Attorney General Bill Barr to investigate a series of conspiracy theories pushed by Trump and his allies about the FBI's investigation into him and several campaign members' ties to Russia. So far, he has mostly come up empty. Though the indictment of Sussman lists a long series of incidents meant to suggest Democrats were illicitly conspiring to turn the FBI against Trump in the summer of 2016, the only crime he actually charged was that Sussman allegedly falsely claimed that he wasn't representing any clients when he spoke to a representative of the bureau about research on a possible Trump-Russia connection.

In the initial indictment, the evidence for that claim was surprisingly thin. But Sussman's lawyers argued in the new filing that the charge is even less reliable than it initially appeared because other evidence in the Justice Department's possession undermines the case that Sussman lied.

'The indictment centered on a September 2016 meeting between Mr. Sussmann and James A. Baker, who was then the FBI’s general counsel," as Savage explained. "Mr. Sussmann relayed analysis by cybersecurity researchers who cited odd internet data they said appeared to reflect some kind of covert communications between computer servers associated with the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, a Kremlin-linked Russian financial institution."

Savage explained that according to Baker's own interview, it appears that Sussman never claimed he wasn't representing a client while speaking to the FBI:
In July 2019, Mr. Baker was interviewed by the Justice Department’s inspector general about the meeting. Mr. Baker stated, according to a two-page transcript excerpt, that Mr. Sussmann had brought him information “that he said related to strange interactions that some number of people that were his clients, who were, he described as I recall it, sort of cybersecurity experts, had found.”
The newly disclosed evidence also includes a page of a report Mr. Durham’s team made to summarize an interview they conducted with Mr. Baker in June 2020. According to that report, Mr. Baker did not say that Mr. Sussmann told him he was not there on behalf of any client. Rather, he said the issue never came up and he merely assumed Mr. Sussmann was not conveying the Alfa Bank data and analysis for any client.

If this evidence holds up and isn't undermined by additional evidence from Durham, it may be very difficult to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Sussman lied at all to the FBI. That would be a huge blow to Durham's credibility, and it would further undercut Bill Barr's hopes of having his conspiracy theories vindicated.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:16 am

The legal case doesn't really matter - or at least is secondary, or thirdary. The point is to give the Tucker Carson's something to rail against and muddy the waters with, something that keeps attention off any possibility of a Trump-Russian connection and focuses the primed-and-triggered #OUTRAGE!! of the Trump cult on people like that bastard Obama, that bitch Hilary, and those fucking Democrats generally. They don't need legal standing to JAQ-off all over this thrice nightly.


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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:04 am

I think you are correct.




Latest from Durham--the Clinton campaign paid to have data gathered on Trump, including after he was elected. I believe the previous narrative's villains were Obama and the FBI, but that's just details. Probably they were all doing it. The important thing to remember is that Dear Leader's opponents are horrible people. Via Fox News:

'Clinton campaign paid to "infiltrate" Trump Tower, White House servers to link Trump to Russia: Durham'
Lawyers for the Clinton campaign paid a technology company to "infiltrate" servers belonging to Trump Tower, and later the White House, in order to establish an "inference" and "narrative" to bring to government agencies linking Donald Trump to Russia, a filing from Special Counsel John Durham says.
Note that as yet no charges have been made against anybody discussed in this filing other than Sussmann. He isn't being charged with anything but supposedly lying to the FBI about his affiliations. Fox News didn't bother to spell his name correctly.

The former president implies that part of Making America Great Again would be instituting the death penalty for traitors who dare inquire into his activities.

'"Punishable By Death": Clinton Paid to Infiltrate Trump Servers, Plant Russia Conspiracy, Filing Says'
Trump mouthpiece wrote:"The latest pleading from Special Counsel Robert Durham provides indisputable evidence that my campaign and presidency were spied on by operatives paid by the Hillary Clinton Campaign in an effort to develop a completely fabricated connection to Russia. This is a scandal far greater in scope and magnitude than Watergate and those who were involved in and knew about this spying operation should be subject to criminal prosecution. In a stronger period of time in our country, this crime would have been punishable by death. In addition, reparations should be paid to those in our country who have been damaged by this."

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:04 am

Trump didn't say or write that - it's corporate PR.
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