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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Cunt » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:33 am

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
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Is there an antibody test that's being used right now? Last I heard it hadn't been approved for clinical use ('New blood tests for antibodies could show true scale of coronavirus pandemic').
I'm hoping they find a much higher infection rate, because I think that lowers the death rate. I must admit, I'm still at the mercy of the experts.

For sure, though, the media is sowing panic in every way they can. That can't affect the facts of virology, but it sure as hell can change the other effects of an emergency like this.

Up this way, a dude with a weird travel situation not only defied the law about self-isolation, but said so to the paper.

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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:09 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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For the nth time, the number of deaths are FAR lower than they would be if we didn't take the extreme measures we had. These are the number of deaths with severe lockdowns.
The numbers are still low when put into the context of the total population which is why scaremongers like you just wont accept. Do you have evidence for your claims and what numbers did they save? Hard facts.
Sweden does accept it. We dont know if extreme measures would have prevented anything as the country was treated as a whole. The politicians grabbed hold of those extreme measures and ran with them but why? The experts in Sweden think differently but that you never hear about only the extreme measures as that is good newsprint.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:42 am

Brian Peacock wrote: What's the alternatives to the actions European governments have taken - and what are we to base those alternative public health policies on - ignorance or wishful thinking?
Yep play it up and keep giving shit to the people. That is what people like you want to do. You are part of the political game but you wont see it. The numbers you are using are not significant only politicians are making them that and using them.
The one government that did not accept the requirement for extreme measures is Sweden maybe as result of the Swedish history on civil liberties but public life there just carries on as normal. They have only the half of the number of cases as we do.
The UK government is saying it may keep the extreme measures in place for six months. Bang goes your civil liberties.
This "social distancing" thing is a great move. It gives people power to control others. The thing is no one seems to agree about is the actual distance. UK is two metres, we 1,5m. China as low as a metre and America of course 6 feet (1m80). The same goes for masks. All good moves in a dictatorship and there are plenty dictators now strutting around our streets. What happens after the all clear?
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:47 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:09 am
pErvinalia wrote:
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For the nth time, the number of deaths are FAR lower than they would be if we didn't take the extreme measures we had. These are the number of deaths with severe lockdowns.
The numbers are still low when put into the context of the total population which is why scaremongers like you just wont accept. Do you have evidence for your claims and what numbers did they save? Hard facts.
We can't present facts to you because you think it's all a giant conspiracy. No facts will align with your ridiculous beliefs.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:55 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:47 am
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:09 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:43 pm
For the nth time, the number of deaths are FAR lower than they would be if we didn't take the extreme measures we had. These are the number of deaths with severe lockdowns.
The numbers are still low when put into the context of the total population which is why scaremongers like you just wont accept. Do you have evidence for your claims and what numbers did they save? Hard facts.
We can't present facts to you because you think it's all a giant conspiracy. No facts will align with your ridiculous beliefs.
You have never presented "facts" so what are you on about. You just swallow the shit they throw at you and believe they are "facts". It has been proven governments time and time again lie so why should this time be no different. These corona deaths are a case in point. The person tests positive so when they die it is a corona death. Just think. Why should it be a corona death? No evidence and no biopsy but claims the public lap up.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:58 am

How do you know when someone positive dies they mis-appropriate the death to covid? You don't deal in facts. You deal in paranoia and conspiracy. You are losing your marbles. You've been getting gradually worse and worse for the last 6 months or so. In another 6 you'll be making Galaxian look rational.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:03 am

NineBerry wrote:
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Science takes time. It's not like on Star Trek
But they haven't even tried reversing the polarity on the Heisenberg compensators yet.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:06 am

pErvinalia wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:58 am
How do you know when someone positive dies they mis-appropriate the death to covid? You don't deal in facts. You deal in paranoia and conspiracy. You are losing your marbles. You've been getting gradually worse and worse for the last 6 months or so. In another 6 you'll be making Galaxian look rational.
Once again you cant avoid the shit. Just carry on and I am afraid you are back on my ignore list and you can give Cunt good company.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:07 am

Yep, you've got nothing but bias and paranoia. Facts have no relationship to you.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:21 am

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
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Is there an antibody test that's being used right now? Last I heard it hadn't been approved for clinical use ('New blood tests for antibodies could show true scale of coronavirus pandemic').
Apparently the UK has procured 3.5m antibody tests. This test spots antibody markers IgM and IgG. While both markers appear individually in response to a number of infections they both appear combined in response to Covid-19 and, as far as we know, very little else. The test will show if you've had the infection. Tests for the infection itself involve a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test applied to aural and nasal samples in combination with regular observational diagnostics.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:06 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:42 am
Brian Peacock wrote: What's the alternatives to the actions European governments have taken - and what are we to base those alternative public health policies on - ignorance or wishful thinking?
Yep play it up and keep giving shit to the people. That is what people like you want to do. You are part of the political game but you wont see it. The numbers you are using are not significant only politicians are making them that and using them.
I'm not pulling rank here, but in a past life I worked in health service admin. If you read the entire post again you'll note that I talked about the concerns and considerations that impact on public health policy. To dismiss that as 'part of a political game' is to fundamentally misunderstand what I wrote - and disingenuous if you did understand it.
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The one government that did not accept the requirement for extreme measures is Sweden maybe as result of the Swedish history on civil liberties but public life there just carries on as normal. They have only the half of the number of cases as we do.
Sweden is a nation with its own set of circumstances, whether that be political. social, geographical, demographic or whatever. Don't assume that the public health decisions of the Swedish government is the end of the matter for Swedes or are a model that Lombardy or New York state should adopt. And the numbers on Swedish public transport are down by 50% and nearly half of Stockholmers are remote working at the moment.
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The UK government is saying it may keep the extreme measures in place for six months. Bang goes your civil liberties.
Indeed. But at the moment having the liberty to be infected and to infect is not a straight forward matter of personal freedom or autonomy. I guess that matter depends on whether one places one's personal freedom and autonomy -- or that the state should place your freedoms and autonomy - above any individual obligations to one's neighbours and the wider public at large. We can see this question being played out in the tension between the Florida and New York state at the moment.

Nonetheless, as I've mentioned a number of times now, self-isolation is a blunt instrument imposed in the absence of other options. There are many reasons why European nations including the UK are lacking other options - but if you're looking to point the finger look no further than the financialisation of the political system and the economy which abhors unused capacity. Anyway, what we all need is more secure epidemiological data - which means a massive ramp up in testing, both of those with symptoms as well as broadly and randomly within the general population.
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This "social distancing" thing is a great move. It gives people power to control others. The thing is no one seems to agree about is the actual distance. UK is two metres, we 1,5m. China as low as a metre and America of course 6 feet (1m80). The same goes for masks. All good moves in a dictatorship and there are plenty dictators now strutting around our streets. What happens after the all clear?
Get real - what dictators now strutting around your streets?. Social distancing is a concept as much as a practice. As a concept it highlights to the public what is obvious and already known: that close contact significantly increases the risk of infection. This in turn justifies a practice as a reasonable prophylactic measure. So this is a social measure that follows a reasonable medical assessment given the highly contagious nature of Covid-19.

What's your alternative, presuming you don't dispute the contagious nature of Covid-19 and it's related risks to individuals who acquire it? For example, if you cannot guarantee that the person you're meeting isn't infected, and given the way society operates and the demographic risk factors, then would you be happy to give that person a hug and stand next to them chatting while you inhale each others moist, warm breath? If you understood the risk factors but the person you're meeting didn't, or didn't believe in them, would meeting them be a responsible thing to do - and if so why? How does one practice and police social distancing in these circumstances if not voluntarily? The civil liberties questions are really important, but so are the public health questions - and one doesn't necessarily trump the other.
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Post by rainbow » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:11 am

Murca now has a fifth of the world's cases. This is not looking good.

Lockdown is required for non-essential activities.

Down learn this the hard way as the Spanish and Italians are.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:04 am

A lot of words Brian but no answers just your claims based on what? Yes you have got it; government figures. like so much just repeating the propaganda. Social distancing is a great tool or are you unable to work out the social consequences and its future affect? A simple thing; carrying out elections. No meetings? Just the media? Nicely controlled and all opinion nullified. How are parliaments going act or take place?
This virus is as contagious as any other but once again parroting government propaganda does not make it more.
If anything Brian you should get real. Our political masters are pleased with the result and will be making plans to continue it. That is my greater concern. The numbers dont matter but the control does. This dance is a long way from over. The red shoes have been well and truly fitted.
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Re: The Coronavirus Thread

Post by NineBerry » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:13 am

Okay. I was wrong. Galaxian was right. THEY want to replace humans with ai robots. And they seem to have started with Scot. o.O

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:13 am

An example of one leader grabbing more power:

The Guardian view on Hungary's coronavirus law: Orbán's power grab
The pandemic has allowed one of Europe’s most authoritarian leaders to marginalise critics and political opposition

In functioning democracies, any request by a leader for “emergency powers” is rightly subjected to scrutiny. If granted, a suspension of normal constitutional practice will generally come with a strict time limit attached. Boris Johnson’s coronavirus bill, which gives sweeping new powers to ministers, was passed last week with the proviso that MPs would vote every six months on whether it should be renewed. In France, President Emmanuel Macron’s more wide-ranging and draconian emergency measures have a lifespan of two months.
This is more important than the number of cases.
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