The Coronavirus Thread

[Brian Peacock]

Indeed. It's endemic, which is why vaccinations are now going to have to be a routine feature of public health provision. But as I was suggesting to Scot, though COVID might not be much of a concern where they are it continues to impact people across the globe and different groups experience the virus and related issues differently. Children and young people for example face specific challenges based on their phase of life and how both the disease and the measures designed to contain it impact them. The poor are impacted harder than the rich, the sick and disabled are impacted more than the able-bodied, minorities and marginalised communities are impacted in ways not experienced by majority demographics. Long COVID is a factor that has to be addressed whatever group one falls into.

“It’s time for action. We have a lot of work ahead of us”: researchers in the Netherlands work with patients to solve the puzzle of long COVID

When COVID-19 arrived in the Netherlands almost 3 years ago, Dr Merel Hellemons was working as a respiratory specialist. Worried about the long-term effects of lung injury in her hospitalized patients, she and her colleagues at the Erasmus University Medical Centre in Rotterdam set up a post-COVID-19 clinic to chart how 650 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 from the first and second wave in 2020 were recovering.

What they saw took them by surprise

“One of the things that we noticed early on in these patients was that lung injury was there, but it was resolving most of the time, and only a fraction of them had severe lung injury,” noted Dr Hellemons. “But it became apparent that so many patients were unable to return to work and suffered from lots of weird symptoms, like cognitive problems and memory loss.”

The clinic soon started to receive calls from general practitioners (GPs) describing patients who had not been ill enough to require hospital admission but were nonetheless suffering a range of similar symptoms.

“In retrospect, it was a misconception not to include this group in the original study plan. We never imagined that patients who had initially experienced COVID-19 less severely would also have residual symptoms.”

They have now also included these patients in a research programme which aims to increase understanding and find workable treatments for post COVID-19 condition, the complex syndrome now commonly known as “long COVID”.

Understanding the complexity of long COVID

Based on background research into ME/CFS (myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome – a serious, long-term illness that affects many body systems), the Erasmus team hypothesized that persistent post COVID-19 symptoms may be due to immune disruption triggered by viral infection. Putting this hypothesis to the test, they compared the changes in the immune system of study participants who had had COVID-19 which led to persistent fatigue 6 months after hospital discharge, with those who did not develop this ongoing fatigue. This has revealed some interesting differences, which the research team are now investigating further.

“We found a wide variety of immune abnormalities, with differing immune-profiles in different patients. There are different sorts of immune disruption and what we cannot yet determine is how these findings in the immune system relate to symptoms. What we do see, however, is probable targets for therapy and that this should be tailored to the patients.”

The Erasmus team have taken physical function measurements, such as walking ability and hand-grip strength that can point to improvements in a patient’s physical recovery over time and can help identify those who need rehabilitation. However, cognitive measurements, and investigation into quality of life, return to work, stress, depression and anxiety symptoms reveal considerable, long-lasting impacts.

The Erasmus team is also coordinating the CO-FLOW study involving patients from 8 other regional hospitals and rehabilitation sites in the Netherlands. Due to the high prevalence of these residual symptoms in the 650 people enrolled in the study, the team plan to extend their research for a further period to better understand these impacts in the longer-term...

https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/26 ... long-covid

[pErvinalia]

You always post evidence when you've lost an argument, Brian. Don't you know we can't trust any evidence? We have to rely on our fee fees. And Dutch fee fees are the best fee fees.

[Scot Dutchy]

Covid is still killing people you utter halfwit. It's absolutely not over.

Prove it. What data and definitions you are using? The same ones as Rainbow as he cant make up his mind either. It is over but your country is a complete mess you cant see it.
How is flood protection going? I read Sydney is under again. We have offered but they want to discover the wheel again.
Stop insulting half-wits at least they are half right which is more the whole-wit you are.

[Svartalf]

You know, if <I have to decide whose judgment I trust more between rainbow and you, I think it will go to the Afrikaner

[Scot Dutchy]

You know, if <I have to decide whose judgment I trust more between rainbow and you, I think it will go to the Afrikaner

That is your choice. Never trust "the French".

[Scot Dutchy]

The UK has turned into what the Brexiteers wanted:

England’s old boys’ club has evolved into ‘the network’, made up of high rollers and City slickers

[Brian Peacock]

You're trolling with irrelevances.
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Three years to the day since WHO declared COVID an international health emergency. Today the WHO Director General maintained that status...

"The WHO Director-General concurs with the advice offered by the Committee regarding the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and determines that the event continues to constitute a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC)."

https://www.who.int/news/item/30-01-202 ... )-pandemic

[Scot Dutchy]

You're trolling with irrelevances.
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Three years to the day since WHO declared COVID an international health emergency. Today the WHO Director General maintained that status...

"The WHO Director-General concurs with the advice offered by the Committee regarding the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and determines that the event continues to constitute a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC)."

https://www.who.int/news/item/30-01-202 ... )-pandemic

Quoting the WHO now how desperate can you get? Their jobs depends on covid 19. Their data has been proven time and time again to be worthless but yet you cant see it.
I am not trolling. Once again you are smoking anything. How about Brexit? It is killing the UK but you go on about covid? Covid is not a problem in any good health system. The trouble is that the NHS is in no state to handle this simple flue.

[Brian Peacock]

Isn't it time you stopped taking your childhood trauma out on anybody who happens to reside in the UK? I'm not claiming the my country of residence is perfect, or ignoring decades of cuts to public services, or the woefully inadequate initial response to the pandemic, or the opportunity for corruption it presented. It's extremely tedious to be admonished and lampooned for supporting views and actions I actually strongly object to, or to have you treat my views and my person as if I somehow represent every terrible aspect of the UK just because I suggested you were mistaken to believe that COVID was over. Nonetheless, for the most part COVID is considered over here and those social distancing signs seem like a quaint reminder of a bygone age. Nonetheless, it is clear that different people in different circumstances have experienced the pandemic in different ways, and continue to do so.

[Scot Dutchy]

Isn't it time you stopped taking your childhood trauma out on anybody who happens to reside in the UK? I'm not claiming the my country of residence is perfect, or ignoring decades of cuts to public services, or the woefully inadequate initial response to the pandemic, or the opportunity for corruption it presented. It's extremely tedious to be admonished and lampooned for supporting views and actions I actually strongly object to, or to have you treat my views and my person as if I somehow represent every terrible aspect of the UK just because I suggested you were mistaken to believe that COVID was over. Nonetheless, for the most part COVID is considered over here and those social distancing signs seem like a quaint reminder of a bygone age. Nonetheless, it is clear that different people in different circumstances have experienced the pandemic in different ways, and continue to do so.

Low fucking low Brian.

But what do we expect. You have no data. Covid is over for us and many in the EU. The fact you cant accept this simple fact just explains your mentality. Masks and distance are things from a misguided period when those in charge were enjoying power they have never known before. Those times are over so why do you want to revive them the whole time. Covid is past. Best to leave at that. It never was proven what a covid death was and never will. We did economic damage that should never had happened. Luckily in the future this will not happen again.

Thank fuck I left.

[Brian Peacock]

You won't accept that COVID and the pandemic affected different groups in different ways for fear it will disrupt your cosy view of a perfect Netherlands. If you're views are typical no wonder the right is on the rise, because pretending that everything is equal for everybody all the time in any conservatively capitalist country is to deny the disparities that foster resentment, distrust and discontent. Not so long ago you were lambasting public health measures to limit infections as the work of dictators, and now you're saying that everybody acted so perfectly in response to the pandemic that nobody has been adversely impacted by it, nor continues to be. You're just not making any sense.

[pErvinalia]

He's a complete idiot, Brian. It's not worth it. Absolutely embarrassing that he's memorialised in the header.

[Scot Dutchy]

You won't accept that COVID and the pandemic affected different groups in different ways for fear it will disrupt your cosy view of a perfect Netherlands. If you're views are typical no wonder the right is on the rise, because pretending that everything is equal for everybody all the time in any conservatively capitalist country is to deny the disparities that foster resentment, distrust and discontent. Not so long ago you were lambasting public health measures to limit infections as the work of dictators, and now you're saying that everybody acted so perfectly in response to the pandemic that nobody has been adversely impacted by it, nor continues to be. You're just not making any sense.

What a complete load of bollocks. You need to read much more. Your concept of what this country is is totally wrong but that is typical of you. You lie and state complete fake stories but that also is very typical of you.
The fact that the UK is going down the plug does not bother you? Covid is more important? Weird...
Try and get back to reality. Your country is fucked as most of the money is in offshore accounts. You are living in a one-party state does not bother you. That the UK has no leaders does not bother you. Does anything bother you? I wonder. Where is Corbyn that great saviour? The Labour party is rubbish but does that bother you. I doubt it.

[pErvinalia]

Cunt would be suspended for this. But because it's Scot Dutchy, who's mentally retarded, it's accepted.

[Tero]

Feb of 2022 we had 3000 people in US die of covid daily. Now it is 600 a day.
Normal deaths are 7000-8000 a depending on month or year.