The Coronavirus Thread

[Brian Peacock]

What with his lungs I'm sure Scot will be in the exempt category.

[NineBerry]

With his lungs and his age, it should be in his own interest to wear a good ffp2 or ffp3 mask while indoors where there are other people.

[Brian Peacock]

Perhaps. But for people with chronic respiratory conditions like Scot's I think it's more important that everyone else wears a mask for his protection rather than him possibly having trouble breathing to protect them. Those who can wear a mask without respiratory distress should so that those who can't don't have to.

[rainbow]

Perhaps. But for people with chronic respiratory conditions like Scot's I think it's more important that everyone else wears a mask for his protection rather than him possibly having trouble breathing to protect them. Those who can wear a mask without respiratory distress should so that those who can't don't have to.

Absolutely.

[NineBerry]

I spoke with a pneumologist. He said, he's not going to write any attests that people don't have to wear masks. He said a person whose condition is bad enough so that they cannot wear a mask for more than a few minutes is not fit enough to go shopping on their own anyways.

[Brian Peacock]

That's fine, but not everybody has the kind of familial or social support that allows them to avoid shopping or other daily living tasks.

[NineBerry]

What he said is that people that can't wear masks (because of lung problems) won't be able to walk to stores on their own even when not wearing a mask.

Dutch supermarkets aren't big enough for people to drive around with mobility scooters there ;-)

[Scot Dutchy]

From December 1, wear a mask in public indoor spaces or face fine

Face masks will be compulsory in all public buildings, shops, and stations from tomorrow as the coronavirus law comes into effect, and people who refuse to wear one face a fine of €95. The new law provides a legal base for earlier measures and will be valid for the next three months. The penalty, just short of €100, means people who fail to abide by the rule will not face a criminal record.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/11/f ... face-fine/

Once again reading the "rag". No one can be fined as yet as it has not gone through parliament. The shop owners wont allow you in without a mask but there is no legal requirement by law. The typical Dutch way to solve the unsolvable.

From today, everyone in the Netherlands aged 13 or older must wear a face mask in public indoor spaces like stores, libraries, stations, and secondary schools. There are some exceptions for people who are medically unable to wear a mask, and for certain activities. Violators will be fined 95 euros. On Monday, some retail chains said that they would not be enforcing this rule. But according to Hubert Bruls, chairman of the Security Council, it is shopkeepers also have to adhere to the law, which means they have a responsibility to enforce the face mask rule.

https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/01/mandatory ... ions-dec-1

You still dont get it do you. Quoting rags does not help. This what the Kabinet wants but it still has not gone through Parliament. These measures are being taken under a temporary law but has to be confirmed by Parliament. The authorities cant issue fines. It is a sort double bluff. The shopkeepers are enforcing a law that already existed. So nothing new which is why some are not because they cant be fined. Remember this meant only for three months if it survives that long.
Just look at the laws concerning soft-drugs and you will find the same convoluted situation. It is all due to the very strict democratic rules of this country.

[NineBerry]

Sinds 1 december 2020 is het dragen van een mondkapje verplicht in alle openbare en overdekte ruimten, in het onderwijs, het openbaar vervoer en bij contactberoepen. Lees hier waar u een mondkapje moet dragen, hoe u een mondkapje draagt en wat goede mondkapjes zijn.

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpe ... mondkapjes

If this is not true please present evidence that this is so. We'll accept Dutch sources. We'll not accept sources from conspiracy sites.

[Scot Dutchy]

I have explained it.

[Tero]

It's a deal!
https://www.theonion.com/cdc-introduces ... 1845802616

[Brian Peacock]

The Fatherland records 23000 new cases.

[NineBerry]

The Fatherland records 23000 new cases.

And we have about the same current number of deaths per population as the United States.

[Scot Dutchy]

Masks not working?

[NineBerry]

People not wearing them.