Andrew's goose is well and truly cooked.

[JimC]

I think you might have actually made a good point there Crumple.

[Tero]

Duke, dude, they are all the same. 2 testicles.

[Brian Peacock]

Well that's that then...

The Duke of York has settled the sex assault case filed against him by Virginia Giuffre for an undisclosed sum, sparing him the humiliation of giving evidence in a trial and protecting the royal family from further reputational damage.

The out-of-court settlement in the US civil case means Prince Andrew makes no admission of guilt over claims by Giuffre that he sexually assaulted her on three occasions when she was 17, allegations he has repeatedly denied.

In a letter filed to the judge, Lewis A Kaplan, lawyers for Andrew, 61, and Giuffre, 38, said the two had reached a “settlement in principle”. A statement read: “The parties will file a stipulated dismissal upon Ms Giuffre’s receipt of the settlement (the sum of which is not being disclosed).”...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -principle

[JimC]

In return for the money, there was no mention of Andrew being a sexual predator...

[Brian Peacock]

... and some rather stringent non-disclosure clauses.

[macdoc]

Like that made any difference to Guiffre.... she had a "do not sue" agreement when she got the first 1/2 million but not enough for her. There may indeed been many girls "trafficked"....don't think she was one at 17.....age of consent in New York.

[Brian Peacock]

I think you're forgetting the well-documented abusive and controlled element of Epstein's 'service', trafficking compliant young women and girls to satisfy the sexual proclivities of his rich and famous clientele. That she was above the age of consent is irrelevant.

[macdoc]

Not at all...she could walk out whenever she wanted...and she was age of consent.
No question for some of the other girls...I don't buy the poor me line on Guiffre. FWIW.

[macdoc]

In the same month, Carolyn Andriano, who as a 14-year-old was introduced by Giuffre to Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and was a prosecution witness in the trial of Maxwell, claimed in an interview that then 17-year-old Giuffre told her in 2001 that she had slept with Prince Andrew. Andriano stated, "And she [Giuffre] said, 'I got to sleep with him'. She didn't seem upset about it. She thought it was pretty cool."[70]

Sounds exactly right about an upwardly mobile legal 17 year old not afraid to use her youth and looks. Don't blame her at all for her own gain
...why was she not charged with procuring the 14 year old.?

So she and the lawyers score another $10 million...again can't blame her for her continuing attempt to be upwardly mobile and certainly Andrew was involved....but in my view it was consensual....and "cool" for Guiffre.
Black mail seems okay eh

[Svartalf]

... and some rather stringent non-disclosure clauses.

It's still an admission of guilt.

[Brian Peacock]

In the same month, Carolyn Andriano, who as a 14-year-old was introduced by Giuffre to Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and was a prosecution witness in the trial of Maxwell, claimed in an interview that then 17-year-old Giuffre told her in 2001 that she had slept with Prince Andrew. Andriano stated, "And she [Giuffre] said, 'I got to sleep with him'. She didn't seem upset about it. She thought it was pretty cool."[70]

Sounds exactly right about an upwardly mobile legal 17 year old not afraid to use her youth and looks. Don't blame her at all for her own gain
...why was she not charged with procuring the 14 year old.?

So she and the lawyers score another $10 million...again can't blame her for her continuing attempt to be upwardly mobile and certainly Andrew was involved....but in my view it was consensual....and "cool" for Guiffre.
Black mail seems okay eh

Where did you pick that up from?

I don't think that paragraph has the explanatory power you think it does, and I still think you're ignoring the well-documented abusive and controlling nature of Epstein's 'service'. Casting her as a totally autonomous and rational actor in her situation not only doesn't mesh with what we now know about Epstein's activities and methods but it also undermines her testimony and experience. That comes across as, at best, unintentional gaslighting. Casting her as a gold-digger shifts focus and blame onto the behaviour of a 17 girl and sidelines questions about Epstein's and Maxwell's actions and responsibility, the 'services' they provided, and the sexual proclivities of their clientele.

Again, raising the age of consent in these circumstances is irrelevant. A 30 year-old who is sexually abused, exploited and/or controlled by their marriage partner, for example, is also over the age of consent, and yet the age of consent does not mitigate the illegality, or moral reprehensibility, of sexual abuse and exploitation, nor does it shift blame or responsibility from the abuser onto the abused. I doubt you would feel quite so confident to apply a low and conniving character to someone in that position who might seek legal redress after the fact, would you(?)

[Brian Peacock]

... and some rather stringent non-disclosure clauses.

It's still an admission of guilt.

Indeed Svarty. Just not in the culpable, legal sense.

[macdoc]

FFS she recruited a 14 year old ....are you ignoring that?....it was the 14 year old that made the statement about her
... you are being played.
She was a consenting adult which is not what she wants people to think and she squeezing it for every dollar she can.

AFAIK consenting prostitution in a private setting was legal as well....is she prostituting herself in the legal sense yes, from a moral standpoint I don't have a problem with that ....use your gifts.

Victim.....nah.
Her early life yeah she was victimized by relatives and was apparently quite familiar with sexual acts so the wide eyed innocent doesn't play.
Was she trafficked? yep. Was she consenting yep Was she of age, yep.
The traffickers were held accountable.
She consented and was of an age to to do so both from a legal standpoint and from a biological aspect.
You can admire her efforts to score money for some of her peers that indeed were not of age..and at least one of which she recruited......and to fund preventive agencies ....the prince used his influence to procure, she used her sexuality and experience to fulfill that.
She was an adult and complicit which I do not find in the least morally reprehensible. The prince is morally tainted but middle age males lust for teens..twas ever thus..he used his position to procure and is paying the price for that.

[pErvinalia]

Do you know she was free to leave?

[laklak]

He didn't traffic her, assuming she was in fact trafficked in the first place and not a willing participant. She was of legal age in both New York AND the UK, so what crime did he commit?