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Re: The Trump Impeachment

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Damn Yanks! :lay:

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:27 pm

sham on you, democrats! deep state rule is over...forever...due to the Trump dynasty ruling the rest of the century
Schiff, in a literally insane rant, claims that Trump failing to use the talking points put together by deep state civil servants attempting to undermine him and conflict with his foreign policy… And it is his that matters. He’s the president. He chooses foreign policy. Not Vindman, not Yovanovitch, not any of the others, not Fiona Hill. They don’t determine foreign policy. They can prepare talking points all them; Trump can chuck ’em any time he wants. Schiff said because Trump didn’t follow the talking points, that he is undermining American foreign policy.
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Post by Tero » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:35 pm

I told him. I am actually right. Nobody is watching.
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What fools these mortals be.
Before this trial is over, that will be a smear on the Democrats, not the Republicans.
If they say something along the lines of "He sold out the country" it might work.
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:37 pm

Jay Sekulow, who has practice swallowing and regurgitating disinformation issuing from Russia, took his RWNJ schtick to the floor of the US Senate.

'Jay Sekulow Spews Debunked Russian Propaganda From Senate Floor'
With lawyers like these, who needs enemies?

Jay Sekulow went full tin foil hat word salad in the well of the Senate floor this morning, in his introductory argument to his jury: 100 senators and presumably 130 million or so American people. First he claimed that just because all of our Intel Community and Robert Mueller determined Russia DID interfere in our elections, doesn't mean Ukraine DIDN'T.

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Post by Tero » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:51 pm

CNN
Defense summary
1. Democrats are trying to steal the 2020 election
"For all their talk about election interference, they're here to perpetrate the most massive interference in an election in American history -- and we can't allow that to happen," said White House counsel Pat Cipollone, who is leading Trump's team.
2. There is no direct evidence of wrongdoing
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Post by Seabass » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:44 am

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Post by Tero » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:58 am

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Epstein McConnel, Dershowitz
Mitch just visiting to use Hell as a sauna
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tyrannical » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:42 pm

Day one went well for Trump, all actual witnesses support Trump's view. But that's boring and I already knew that. :sulk:

So a Republican Senator has drafted motions to subpoena former Vice President Joe Biden, son Hunter Biden, Adam Schiff , and Eric 'the fake whistle-blower' Ciarella. But that votes could be days away.....

Monday, I hear the defense will talk about Biden corruption in Ukraine. Guess we finally get to see what Giuliani was doing in Ukraine and how much dirt he dug up. Takes a very stable genius to use own impeachment defense to destroy any chances of Biden or any other Democrat getting elected.

The Senate investigation into Biden alone would take months, though they can probably skip right to indictment since AG Barr probably already has paper work started.
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Post by Tero » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:59 pm

IT WENT BADLY..really lame argument of conspiracy that WAS ALREADY DEBUNKED by US agencies. There is no point in a Biden investigation, it was done. There is nothing there. Biden did not stop Burisma investigation. Bursima was investigated in the years involved and its owner paid stiff fines to return to Ukraine. Hunter had nothing whatsoever to do with the fined activities. The Zlochevsky actions were fined, but Hunter was more likely there to clean up the company so they could get all fines etc off the table.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burisma_H ... stigations
Office of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine and National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) have conducted in total 15 investigations on Burisma's owner Zlochevsky.[40] In 2016, former Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko accused Burisma subsidiaries of conspiracy and tax evasion of about one billion hryvnias (US$70 million) in 2014–2015, but later during investigation subsidiaries of Burisma were not mentioned.[41] Tax audit of Esko-Pivnich by the State Fiscal Service found some violations in 2016. As a result, 50 million hryvnias (US$1.9 million) of additional taxes was paid to eliminate criminal charges.[41] In total, Burisma paid additional 180 million hryvnias (US$7.44 million) of taxes to avoid further criminal proceedings.[8][23] A criminal investigation was conducted if natural resources extraction licenses were issued to Burisma subsidiaries legally during the period Zlochevsky held government office. Although violations of the procedure were established by NABU, the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office missed procedural deadlines for a lawsuit and the case for nullifying licesenses was dismissed by the court.[41] In October 2019, Prosecutor General Ruslan Riaboshapka announced that all 15 investigation cases will be reviewed.

Biden's son Hunter Biden joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company, on April 18, 2014.[66][67][68] Hunter, then an attorney with Boies Schiller Flexner, was hired to help Burisma with corporate governance best practices, and a consulting firm in which Hunter is a partner was also retained by Burisma.[66][69][70]

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:25 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:42 pm
Day one went well for Trump, all actual witnesses support Trump's view. But that's boring and I already knew that. :sulk:
bla bla bla
I will not see what you reply. You are now blocked. You share this with Seth, only Ratz I've blocked for long periods.
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Tero » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:00 pm

Dershowitz to speak less than an hour Mon
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:58 pm

Another dismantling of the specious constitutional argument put forth by the Trump legal team and its 'constitutional scholar' Dershowitz. I have yet to read an independent authority on this topic who finds merit in their analysis, though Trumpists and trolls apparently find it compelling.

'Constitutional Crabgrass: President Trump’s Defenders Distort the Impeachment Clause'
Impeachment was invented as a remedy for abuses of power. The very first set of impeachments, in 1376, included that of Lord Latimer, who was alleged by the House of Commons to have “notoriously accroached royal power,” meaning that he either misused power delegated to him by the Crown or claimed for himself powers properly belonging to the Crown. For the next four hundred years, Parliament wielded impeachments against the Crown’s powerful minions when they misused their powers of office, either for personal benefit or to abet the dictatorial tendencies of the Crown.

In 1787, fear of presidential abuse of power was the reason the American Framers wrote impeachment into our constitution. They added “high crimes and misdemeanors” to the list of impeachable offenses because it covered abuses of power like those of Warren Hastings. And ever since abuse of power has been universally understood to be the quintessence of an impeachable offense. But don’t take my word for it.

In 1926, the House Judiciary Committee impeached U.S. District Judge George English. In its report on the matter, it reviewed the authorities and concluded:
Thus, an official may be impeached for offenses of a political character and for gross betrayal of public interests. Also, for abuses or betrayals of trusts, for inexcusable negligence of duty [or] for the tyrannical abuse of power.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers have impeachment exactly backwards. Impeachment is in the Constitution, not because the Framers fretted that someday a president might break a law by, for example, feloniously lying about an adulterous affair, but because they feared that a president might burst the paper bonds of their constitution and employ the powers it conferred upon him to destroy the delicate republican balance. That is the public ill the impeachment power was designed to remedy.
It's likely that the Trump übertoady US Attorney General thinks Dershowitz's interpretation is brilliant, though.

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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Hermit » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:47 pm

Tero wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:25 pm
Tyrannical wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:42 pm
Day one went well for Trump, all actual witnesses support Trump's view. But that's boring and I already knew that. :sulk:
bla bla bla
I will not see what you reply. You are now blocked. You share this with Seth, only Ratz I've blocked for long periods.
Don't bother blocking Tranny. His racism is so absurd that the only suitable reaction is to laugh at it, and his predictions have a habit of not coming to pass. I still chuckle whenever I recall the occasion where he foretold the triumph of the fascist Golden Dawn in Greece.
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Re: The Trump Impeachment

Post by Seabass » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:00 pm

63 million people voted for this person. 40% still support him. How does a nation come back from this madness? When he's gone, they'll still be there. These idiots cannot be trusted to make important decisions that affect the lives of others...

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