All things Boris: has it really come to this?

[Hermit]

With the EU formed in 1993, that sounds like they left something a bit different.

You are confusing the founding of the EU with European citizenship, which was established when the Maastricht Treaty came into force in 1993. The EU itself originated with the establishment of the European Economic Community (EEC) with the signing of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union in 1957.


Signing of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, Rome, 1957

In course of the Maastricht Treaty the name, European Economic Community, was shortened to European Community in 1992 and changed again to European Union in 1993.

The EU has constantly changed throughout its history, sometimes in significant ways. The Maastricht Treaty was just one of them. Others were the open border policy in 1985 and the adoption of a common currency in 2002

[Cunt]

Well, it does look like they let people leave though, and that was the point.

I wish I could find horn-rimmed glasses like that. That's how Trump and Boris did it - uncompromisingly unique style.

[Hermit]

Well, it does look like they let people leave though, and that was the point.

Sorry, I must have misunderstood what you meant when you asked "who has voluntarily left the EU"

[Cunt]

Well, it does look like they let people leave though, and that was the point.

Sorry, I must have misunderstood what you meant when you asked "who has voluntarily left the EU"

Are you having trouble following along, Seraph?

Or are you just looking for a way to show off how smart you are?

Fucking socialists are like that...show them a free offer, and they automatically look for a better deal.

[Scot Dutchy]

Remember the whole purpose of Brexit was the destruction of the EU

This is one of the more honest takes on this.

Another way to put it, is that many people voted to leave their sovereignty in the hands of their countries politicians, rather than some Bureaucrats in a foreign country.

No. That isn’t another way to put it. That a a completely separate point.

SD seriously believes the hard brexiteers want the destruction of the EU. They might dislike it intensely but even they don’t have the hubris to think they have that sort of power.

I agree that they dont have the power but that is typical of the 1% who still think money will give you power. They have tried since its conception to destroy the EU under all its previous names and the UK has been instrumental in this movement. Thatcher wanted to take it over but did not understand the mechanisms that were in place to prevent this. The attitude of the UK has always been one of interference and demands and never one of the acceptance of major EU ideals.

Rich American and British speculators tried in the 60's and 70's to wreck the individual European currencies but with the introduction of various financial measures such as the ERM finally ending up with the Euro itself. (It was going to be called the ECU. I have a 5 ECU coin which was given to every Dutch citizen.) This finally stopped all the speculation and has produced a real challenger to the dominance of the Dollar which of course is a worst state of affairs as far as the 1% is concerned.

Again the 1% made a big miscalculation and showed complete political ignorance when it thought there was a great uprising of popularism in the EU. The EU is designed to absorb violent political movement swings and it is basically a very stable centrist institution. The expectation was the EU would divide with many nations following the UK out of the organisation. This has not clearly happened and the UK has been left high and dry with only derisory support from the USA.

[laklak]

Shame we don't have a procedure to leave the Union, we could have avoided all that unpleasantness in the early 1860s.

[Brian Peacock]

Snap election in-coming.

[JimC]

Is Boris in erection mode?

[Scot Dutchy]

Entirely agree Brian but after Brexit. The blame for the failure will be placed with the EU and every other Tom sod.
He needs a working majority to get the alignment with the USA approved by parliament. Expect some fireworks from the Blond Scrotum.

[NineBerry]

UK could be out tomorrow if it wanted, just without a deal. A deal is a matter of both sides agreeing on one. And that happened. The UK government and the EU agreed on a deal. It's the problem of the UK that their government doesn't have backing for their position in their parliament.

If you are a member of a gym and want to leave, you leave after the notice period has ended. But if you want to continue still using the gym lobby and showers without paying membership fees, that is a matter of negotiations.

[Brian Peacock]

The UK has decided to leave the gym but is hanging around in the bar telling everybody that the gym's management has forced them out.

[JimC]

(and offering all comers dodgy deals on steroids...)

[Scot Dutchy]

Supplied by...

[JimC]

..not Rum, what did you think I was suggesting!

[Rum]

Remember the whole purpose of Brexit was the destruction of the EU

This is one of the more honest takes on this.

Another way to put it, is that many people voted to leave their sovereignty in the hands of their countries politicians, rather than some Bureaucrats in a foreign country.

No. That isn’t another way to put it. That a a completely separate point.

SD seriously believes the hard brexiteers want the destruction of the EU. They might dislike it intensely but even they don’t have the hubris to think they have that sort of power.

I agree that they dont have the power but that is typical of the 1% who still think money will give you power. They have tried since its conception to destroy the EU under all its previous names and the UK has been instrumental in this movement. Thatcher wanted to take it over but did not understand the mechanisms that were in place to prevent this. The attitude of the UK has always been one of interference and demands and never one of the acceptance of major EU ideals.

Rich American and British speculators tried in the 60's and 70's to wreck the individual European currencies but with the introduction of various financial measures such as the ERM finally ending up with the Euro itself. (It was going to be called the ECU. I have a 5 ECU coin which was given to every Dutch citizen.) This finally stopped all the speculation and has produced a real challenger to the dominance of the Dollar which of course is a worst state of affairs as far as the 1% is concerned.

Again the 1% made a big miscalculation and showed complete political ignorance when it thought there was a great uprising of popularism in the EU. The EU is designed to absorb violent political movement swings and it is basically a very stable centrist institution. The expectation was the EU would divide with many nations following the UK out of the organisation. This has not clearly happened and the UK has been left high and dry with only derisory support from the USA.

Thatcher didn’t try to wreck the EU and frankly this talk of the 1% is over the top, though I grant you some very powerful people are opposed to it.

The main sticking point and ‘running sore’ has been that there is a strong (mostly Tory) sentiment that the EU should be a trading block. The ‘ever closer union’ (which I personally favoured) led to paranoia about loss of sovereignty and ultimately the demise of separate nation states (another great idea in my book). Such notions of course just create howls of horror from the ‘patriots’ and xenophobia, not to mention a good chunk of the working class.