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One in five teachers using own money for school supplies – report

Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:05 pm

The state of education in the UK:

One in five teachers using own money for school supplies – report
Staff also buying breakfasts, winter coats and soap for poor pupils, says teaching union

One in five teachers are spending their own money on classroom supplies, while nearly half say they buy food, clothes and even soap for poor pupils, according to a report charting the effects of austerity on schools.

Among the more than 4,300 teachers who responded to the NASUWT education union, 20% said they paid for resources such as paper or books used in their lessons at least once a week, with half of those saying they did so “several times a week”.

The responses show an education system struggling to function without basic supplies, with one teacher stating: “We soon will be unable to teach unless we fund it ourselves.”
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:16 pm

My ex, who is a teacher, spends some of her own money each year on supplies. It's fucking scandalous that the education budget isn't sufficient to cover all the basics.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:45 pm

40%+ of newly qualified teachers are leaving the profession within 5 years of finishing their training.
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Post by Rum » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:56 pm

It has become a horrible job here. There’s been too much top down control and the amount of writing and form filling about what you did and what you plan to do, how the kids are doing and how you plan to help them do better...etc.. has become intolerable. It is easy to blame successive governments, but frankly the teaching unions are partly to blame. They have resisted change so much that governments have had to set up rigid highly monitored systems to get any change through.

It needs a reboot. It won’t get one any time soon though.m

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Post by Svartalf » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:08 pm

it's not a great job here either. you get dropped into the shark tank without adequate support.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:23 pm

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It has become a horrible job here. There’s been too much top down control and the amount of writing and form filling about what you did and what you plan to do, how the kids are doing and how you plan to help them do better...etc.. has become intolerable. It is easy to blame successive governments, but frankly the teaching unions are partly to blame. They have resisted change so much that governments have had to set up rigid highly monitored systems to get any change through.

It needs a reboot. It won’t get one any time soon though.m
I what way do you think the teaching unions might have contributed to the current parlous state of the Uk education system?
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Post by Rum » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:38 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:23 pm
Rum wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:56 pm
It has become a horrible job here. There’s been too much top down control and the amount of writing and form filling about what you did and what you plan to do, how the kids are doing and how you plan to help them do better...etc.. has become intolerable. It is easy to blame successive governments, but frankly the teaching unions are partly to blame. They have resisted change so much that governments have had to set up rigid highly monitored systems to get any change through.

It needs a reboot. It won’t get one any time soon though.m
I what way do you think the teaching unions might have contributed to the current parlous state of the Uk education system?
Well it is a personal perspective but here goes. I trained as a teacher (I did a PGCE - post grad training) in 1989, a year after the National Curriculum was introduced. When I went into my first school the level of resentment from teaching staff, not to mention the morale, was dreadful. It was very dispiriting for a newly qualified teacher. There was an air of do your job to the minimum required and no more. This was, from what I picked up subsequently, the result of teaching unions being dragged into the new system, much against their will. And it characterised the new adversarial relationship between government and the professions. Every initiative that came up in the short time I actually taught was fiercely resisted - almost by default.

I hated teaching but was lucky to move sideways and combine my social work degree with it and it made for a happy and lucrative 20 odd years career wise.

As I became more senior in my new career part of my job was to introduce new initiatives into schools, mostly, in my case, concerning special needs, kids at risk and those close to falling out of the system.

I think without exception every idea was opposed, sometimes vehemently, occasionally with the unions involved, even if money came with the initiative, which it often did.

As I said above it is easy to blame the weight of legislation and non teaching requirements for making the job so unattractive these days, but I can’t help feeling that a more collaborative approach by the unions would have been more productive and also sped up the current painfully slow rise in standards.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:54 pm

I can imagine you didn't have much room to be flexible though Rum. Late 80s the unions were in their last throes post Thatcher's reforms, and Education secretary Kenneth Baker (now Baron Baker of Dorking) during the mid 80s set a high bar when it cames to what is a mainstay of the political discourse nowadays - running the public services down while making sure that those who were obliged to operate them are blamed for all the short-comings. Baker was the minister who invented the 'inset day', where schools would be closed to pupils once a term while the teachers were schooled in the system (you probably remember that to start with they weren't called 'inset' days, they were called 'Baker days'). It was Kenneth Clarke -- whom history has been kind enough to to now be seen as that rarest of birds, a 'good Tory' -- who took up Baker's baton, thus kickstarting the never-ending cycle of the government telling everyone how shit health or education etc are, how the teachers or nurses were opposed to reform on ideological grounds because 'unions', and of how they are going come in like a storm and sort it out by crikey afternoon.

I think the problem with the current state of education is two fold:

1. Philosophical: Education has drifted away from primarily focusing on the personal development and intellectual nourishment of the individual and more towards providing training for the workplace. Of course the country needs skilled workers but training school-aged children and young adults to know what side of a spreadsheet to lick is unproductive and wasteful. A curious, imaginative employee with good critical thinking skills, with a positive outlook on life and personal interests and passions beyond the workplace is a far better prospect for an employer and their business than any number of school and university leavers churned out with ready-made BTECs in Hospitality or a 2:2 degrees in Tanning and Waxing Services. Education shouldn't be a sausage factory pushing out worker drones trained to expect nothing more from life than to be told what to do and shouted at for being shit at it. Famously the French don't have a word for entrepreneur, but if they did even they'd know that people don't create and innovate because they have all the right pieces of paper and are efficiently managed but because they're capable of having creative ideas; because they are curious, imaginative people. Education should be about creating creative people imo.

2. Systematic: Primary teachers, just to take a familiar example, teach around 22 hours a week. Each lesson takes about an hour to plan - where planning is a formal procedure which needs to be undertaken in a specific way and documented, along with all the usual gathering and/or creating of the necessary teaching resources. Each lesson takes about an hour to mark - where marking is a formal procedure which needs to be documented along with the usual assessing of work, writing student feedback etc. Heads of department have to sign-off teaching plans - where signing-off is a formal procedure which, of course, has to be documented blah blah blah. They also have to audit teacher marking, assessment and feedback as well as their teachers ongoing practice, which they have to formalise and document etc etc. Deputy heads, have to sign-off the work of the departments etc etc usually while doing some teaching themselves along with all the other data-collection and management stuff. All teaching documentation in a school has to be collected, audited, collated, recorded and stored before its made available in good order to the local branch of the education overwatch directorate, the Academy HQ if there is one (and there usually is these day, another management layer), and the Department for Education, Training and Skills. DoETS coordinates the implementation of government policy and monitors whether each section of the system is meeting all the necessary statutory requirements, from the teacher level up: collecting, auditing, collating, recording, storing and reporting ultimately to the Minister's office. And when the Minister's permanent private secretary enters the room for their weekly Friday morning meeting, a thick folder of statistical printouts under their arm, the Minister is only really interested in whether the graphs are pointing in the right direction and whether they can keep them that way until they're promoted out of their journeyman ministry to somewhere exciting and serious like The Home Office or The Treasury. It's the same in Health. We've created systems which are primarily focused on ensuring there's little chance the Minister is going to have their weekend spoiled. It's a system designed to positively audit the government's performance according to whatever target and/or political imperative they've set their hearts on this month.

Teachers are dropping like flies and legging it off at all stages of their careers, but the fact that nearly half of all recruits are off on their toes within five years of qualifying is a pretty big sign that the system isn't just a bit sub-optimal, but fundamentally breaking down in a serious way. And yet what kind of response to we see from government to whatever 'crisis' is befalling Education at present? A sterner tone, a tighter grip, the taking of firmer control - more 'reforms' just like the last ones to fix the problems which the last reforms caused.

This overburdening is also evident in the fact that all teacher-training these days is on the job training, that is; you teach as you train - you basically Teach First as the catchy name of the privately contracted American training provider implies. Trainees need to start teaching right away to replace the ones falling out the backend of the mincer. About 80% of teacher training deals with how operate the system, with the remaining 20% or so given over to training for the classroom.

This links into my first point about the driving ethos of education and how successive governments have drifted closer to a view of education as a system-driven endeavour, one which accredits the operators ability to operate the system but with increasingly little regard for what the system is actually aiming to achieve, let alone what it's supposed to be for in the first place.

If the unions have had a contributory role in this I'd say it is in not protesting loudly enough, in accepting the story that they're responsible for the systems failings, in caving in to the perpetual political cycle which adds reform upon reform for the sake of appearances, and for not arguing a stronger case for a cohesive, long-term plan for education based on what the individual can achieve in life, not what the minister might personally achieve from their time in office career-wise.


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Post by Rum » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:17 pm

A good analysis if I may say and one I mostly agree with but would add that the Blair/Brown years, which are often forgotten as a bit of a boom time for public services and saw loads of cash being thrown at schools, did lighten the ‘mood’ a little. Unfortunately with the money came lots of initiatives where ‘evidence’ had to be produced to show they were targeting the dosh as told too - yet more paperwork. I was lucky to work in the local authority and schools during that era - and had a huge budget by today’s standards, most of which I allocated to schools. Head teachers loved the money. Heads of departments and the like hated the bureaucracy that usually went with it and were often quite openly hostile.

Today the money is tighter - a lot tighter - and as you point out, it is teachers who get the blame for not delivering a decent education.

Despite all that I often felt they were their own worst enemies in not grasping the nettle and by being on the defence all the time.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:48 pm

Of course the UK once again tried to invent the wheel when it came to education and as always managed to split society into haves and have nots. Looking at what other countries with a far better systems was definitely a no-no.

The tory voters had to be appeased.
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Post by JimC » Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:22 pm

I never experienced anything like that within the catholic school I worked at, and neither did my wife in the government system...
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:19 am

No one should Jim in this day and age. It is going back to the Victorian charity schools but that of course is what the tories want to achieve; a divided society as it is the only way they can think. The greatest illusion is of course for the "middle-classes" who think they have made it and the last laugh is on them. After for many making many sacrifices their little treasures are confronted with the next social divide; the rich and privileged.
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Post by JimC » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:30 am

When I left, I quietly purloined a few reams of printer paper, enough to keep me going for a few years. What an evil bastard I am...
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:10 am

I always keep all my stationary when a contract ends. Having said that, I haven't been employed for ages now, and I've run out of pens at home. Currently using a pencil! :lay:
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:23 am

JimC wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:30 am
When I left, I quietly purloined a few reams of printer paper, enough to keep me going for a few years. What an evil bastard I am...
Working in an office did have its perks. These days the price of paper is nothing and you seldom use it, I find anyway.
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