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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by JimC » Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:06 pm

The most idiotic way to run elections ever devised. If you wanted a process to allow the maximum amount of corrupt, partisan interference in elections, you could not design a better one.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:22 pm

Yes Scot. :tea:
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by JimC » Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:41 pm

I must admit, the more I read about the underlying systems that govern elections in the US, and particularly the recent virulent partisan politics, the more flawed I perceive US democracy to be. However, unlike Scot, I still consider it to be a democracy of sorts, and that corruption levels are still lower than much of the world, albeit increasing in terms of voter suppression and the like.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:47 am

A journalist from Politico requested freedom of info data from three states. Republican politicians from 3 states submitted forged documents to all the right addresses. These all had Trump electors on them. All were rejected.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:03 am

JimC wrote:I must admit, the more I read about the underlying systems that govern elections in the US, and particularly the recent virulent partisan politics, the more flawed I perceive US democracy to be. However, unlike Scot, I still consider it to be a democracy of sorts, and that corruption levels are still lower than much of the world, albeit increasing in terms of voter suppression and the like.
I was just pulling your leg. ;)

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For me the distinction is less about the systems of democracy a nation operates but the systems of values which operate within it. The UK and Oz are both subjected to the same kind of frothing Libertarian malcontents (whose political role is to disrupt the discourse in service of the wealthy) as comprise the US right - and they're similarly given a platform by the likes of the Murdoch media machine etc.

The 'Republicanisation' of UK and Oz politics has been underway for quite a while now, and we can look to Putin to see where that might ultimately end up.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Woodbutcher » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:15 pm

JimC wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:41 pm
I must admit, the more I read about the underlying systems that govern elections in the US, and particularly the recent virulent partisan politics, the more flawed I perceive US democracy to be. However, unlike Scot, I still consider it to be a democracy of sorts, and that corruption levels are still lower than much of the world, albeit increasing in terms of voter suppression and the like.
It's a democracy because corruption is available to both parties, albeit one especially. I think UN should send election observers to US during elections, just to keep some semblance of sanity in the process.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Joe » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:38 pm

Naw, The Deep State would just bribe them to say nice things.
No Evidence of Systematic Fraud in U.S. Elections, International Observer Mission Reports

A team of international observers invited by the Trump administration has issued a preliminary report giving high marks to the conduct of last week’s elections--and it criticizes President Trump for making baseless allegations that the outcome resulted from systematic fraud.

A 28-member delegation from the Organization of American States followed events in several locations across the U.S., including in the battleground states of Georgia and Michigan, both remotely and with observers at polling stations and counting centers.

“While the OAS Mission has not directly observed any serious irregularities that call into question the results so far, it supports the right of all contesting parties in an election, to seek redress before the competent legal authorities when they believe they have been wronged,” the report said. “It is critical however, that candidates act responsibly by presenting and arguing legitimate claims before the courts, not unsubstantiated or harmful speculation in the public media.”

The OAS assessment followed similar findings by an election observation team from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:49 pm

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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by JimC » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:49 pm

The GOP thinks he is a whore president... :tea:
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by laklak » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:57 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:03 am
The 'Republicanisation' of UK and Oz politics has been underway for quite a while now, and we can look to Putin to see where that might ultimately end up.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Joe » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:47 pm

The beat goes on.
Ohio Supreme Court rejects GOP-drawn congressional map as unfairly partisan

The Ohio Supreme Court on Friday rejected a new congressional map drawn by state Republican lawmakers as unconstitutional and ordered it redrawn, marking a major victory for Democrats in a state where lopsided districts have confounded their efforts to gain seats in the House.

Democrats and voting rights groups had sued after Republicans created a map in November in which the party would have been favored to win 12 out of 15 seats, according to the court’s 4-3 opinion. They charged that the new lines defied a constitutional amendment passed by voters in 2018 to ban partisan gerrymandering.

While Republicans have won most recent statewide elections, their margins of victory have been far smaller.

“Gerrymandering is the antithetical perversion of representative democracy,” Justice Michael Donnelly wrote in the decision. “Its singular allure is that it locks in the controlling party’s political power while locking out any other party or executive office from serving as a check and balance to power.”

The court ordered the state legislature to submit a new map in the next 3o days.

The decision came two days after the court also struck down new state legislative maps as unconstitutional and ordered them redrawn.

The ruling Friday on the congressional district map created the possibility of several new Democratic-leaning seats in the state, a significant impact given the party’s narrow House majority at the beginning of what is expected to be a difficult election year. Democrats have lost seats due to redistricting in growing southern states, particularly those held by Republicans.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Hermit » Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:17 pm

The court's 4-3 opinion is a scarily close-run decision.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Joe » Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:19 am

Yep, it didn't help that the Republican Governor's son is on the court and didn't recuse himself. But that's today's GOP.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Svartalf » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:36 am

JimC wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:49 pm
The GOP thinks he is a whore president... :tea:
I thought it was the previous one who openly commissioned the services of such ladies?
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:24 pm

On another forum..
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..at least half the people there (includes a lot of libertarians) think Biden will not run again. It would not make sense to bring up another candidate before the 2022 election. This is a good way to make Trump ridiculous. We really are messing with him now. Mine is the bottom post.
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