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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:24 pm

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Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:25 pm

The world is fucked; Pinker's high.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:00 am

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times etc etc :tea:
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Eric Greitens, the onetime governor of Missouri and current Senate hopeful, handed out stickers at a campaign event in Arnold on Monday night that read: “RINO Hunting Permit,” “No Bagging Limit. No Tagging Limit,” and “Expires: When We Save America.” A former Navy SEAL whose platform hinges on opposing so-called “Republicans in name only,” Greitens attracted bipartisan criticism with a controversial campaign ad released last week featuring him armed with a shotgun. “Join the MAGA crew. Get a RINO hunting permit,” he proclaims to the camera.
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Post by JimC » Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:19 am

As is familiar with fundamentalist religions, the heretic within one's own group (in this case RINOs) are seen in an even worse light than those of other faiths (e.g. Democrats...)
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:25 am

It's like Marxists greater dislike of social democrats than conservatives. Isn't that right, Brian?
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by JimC » Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:31 am

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It's like Marxists greater dislike of social democrats than conservatives. Isn't that right, Brian?
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Post by Tero » Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:20 pm

Georgia not likely to support Trumpy football player. But elsewhere he will gain 1-2.
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Post by Tero » Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:29 pm

Democrats, banking and trade policies undid working class:

Both Clinton and Obama stood by as corporations hammered trade unions. They failed to reform labor laws to allow workers to form unions with a simple up-or-down majority vote, or even to impose meaningful penalties on companies that violated labor protections.
Biden has supported labor law reform but hasn’t fought for it, leaving the Protecting the Right to Organize (Pro) Act to die inside his ill-fated Build Back Better Act.
Clinton and Obama allowed antitrust enforcement to ossify, enabling large corporations to grow far larger and major industries to become more concentrated. Biden is trying to revive antitrust enforcement but hasn’t made it a centerpiece of his administration.

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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:35 am

This hot looking lady is going to take GOD with her to congress (no mentionof jesus)
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Flores has voiced conspiratorial views, suggesting that the Jan. 6 attack was a “setup.” You repeatedly asked her whether President Biden won the 2020 election, and she kept responding that he was “the worst president.” Was that awkward?

I don’t think it was a surprise to her that I asked. I think she’d been asked that question before, knew what she wanted to say and stuck to the script. I gave her multiple opportunities to clarify. I actually said, “I’m not trying to be cute, I’m really trying to understand.” She said, “That’s my statement.”

Flores told you she voted for Barack Obama in 2008, but grew disillusioned with Democrats and enthusiastically backed Trump. Have voters in her district similarly shifted?

Flores won a low-turnout election, so we’re talking about a smallish slice of voters. But, almost by definition, she received support from people who voted Democrat in the past.

I met a retired couple who, unlike many of her most ardent supporters, were devoted Catholics, not evangelicals. They were warm and inviting, and I sat on their couch for an hour listening to their political trajectory. They had voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and considered themselves moderates. But the husband, especially, had started to feel like undocumented immigrants were getting welfare benefits that they shouldn’t, and that Democrats were increasingly hostile to anybody who was anti-abortion. They voted for Trump in 2020 and felt like Flores represented what they wanted to see: somebody fed up with Democrats and willing to criticize them loudly.

You describe Flores’s district, which borders Mexico, as “politically liberal yet culturally conservative.” What does that mean?

It’s a place where law enforcement is revered. For a lot of people, law enforcement — not only the police, but also the Border Patrol and sheriffs — is the best path to the middle class. Churches are crowded on Sundays. A lot of small evangelical churches have opened up and are growing. You see American flags on the backs of cars or in front of houses and businesses.

People are connected to their families. They get together often. Many residents see those ideals reflected more in the Republican Party than in the Democratic Party. Flores’s slogan — “God, family, country” — spoke to a lot of voters.

Immigration seems like a complex issue there. Flores is an immigrant who campaigned on border security, and many of her voters have family who at some point crossed the border.

A lot of them trace their ancestry back to Mexico. The border is in their everyday lives. To hear Flores tell it, the border is in disarray, though not everybody in her district thinks that way. People who support her and support Trump make a big distinction between legal and illegal immigration. They say a version of, “Nobody who’s coming in now is doing it the right way. People should get in line and do it the way we did it.”

They also couch their support for closing the border or putting up a border wall in terms of human trafficking, drugs and gangs. There’s a sense that Mexico and the border are more dangerous now. But a lot of people I talked to, including Republicans, have empathy for immigrants. Even if they despise current policy, there’s a notion of “We want to help them.”

Latino voters’ rightward shift isn’t just a South Texas phenomenon. What other factors play a role nationally?

This is the question that I’m constantly trying to figure out. You can’t overgeneralize. What’s true about Mexican Americans in the Rio Grande Valley may not be true about Latino voters in New Mexico, South Florida, Virginia or Pennsylvania. In Florida, there’s anti-socialism sentiment. The border is an issue elsewhere.

But I think a lot of it has to do with religion. A growing segment of Hispanic evangelicals feels much more tied to the evangelical movement than to any sort of Latino political identity.
(Jennifer Medina, a Times reporter who writes about national politics and profiled Flores this week.)
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:18 am

Corporations funding extreme movements

At the least, it should raise questions about the wealthy individuals and corporations that continue to bankroll this thuggery – among them, billionaires Peter Thiel, Rebecca Mercer, Charles Koch, Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus, ex-casino mogul Steve Wynn, and shipping magnate Richard Uihlein.

Funding is also coming from Boeing, Koch Industries, Home Depot, FedEx, General Dynamics, Toyota, AT&T, Valero Energy, Lockheed Martin, UPS, Raytheon, Marathon Petroleum, GM and FedEx.

In April alone, the most recent month for which data is available, Fortune 500 companies and trade organizations gave more than $1.4m to members of Congress who voted not to certify the election results. AT&T led the pack, giving $95,000 to election objectors.

Toyota is even funding Trump ally Andrew Biggs, a fervent devotee of the big lie who refuses to comply with a congressional subpoena to testify before the committee. Six congressmen who have refused to testify have raked in more than $826,000 from corporate donors since the assault on the Capitol.

Why are these wealthy individuals and corporations doing this? Presumably because they want to pay as little in taxes as possible and believe Trump and his Republicans will deliver even more tax cuts than they did before.

But how is this capitalist thuggery in pursuit of profits different from Uber’s thuggery? And is it more excusable than the political thuggery it’s enabling?

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To state the question in historical terms, how different is their behavior from the wealthy European industrialists who quietly backed the fascists in the 1920s and 1930s?
These billionaire and corporate funders are as complicit as are the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers in threatening American democracy.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:45 pm

I'm feeling better about Democrats chances. But I'm more angry about the corruption and how weak this two party system has made us voters.

We're powerless to prevent the loss of rights for half of us? Ok!?

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Post by Tero » Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:54 pm

I'm less fearful of Trump. But as you say Democrats are rather ineffective, even down to us voters. This is the time to inteoduce new candidates. Not Biden not Harris. America is tired of...presidents.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by rainbow » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:19 pm

Tero wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:18 am
Corporations funding extreme movements

At the least, it should raise questions about the wealthy individuals and corporations that continue to bankroll this thuggery – among them, billionaires Peter Thiel, Rebecca Mercer, Charles Koch, Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus, ex-casino mogul Steve Wynn, and shipping magnate Richard Uihlein.

Funding is also coming from Boeing, Koch Industries, Home Depot, FedEx, General Dynamics, Toyota, AT&T, Valero Energy, Lockheed Martin, UPS, Raytheon, Marathon Petroleum, GM and FedEx.

In April alone, the most recent month for which data is available, Fortune 500 companies and trade organizations gave more than $1.4m to members of Congress who voted not to certify the election results. AT&T led the pack, giving $95,000 to election objectors.

Toyota is even funding Trump ally Andrew Biggs, a fervent devotee of the big lie who refuses to comply with a congressional subpoena to testify before the committee. Six congressmen who have refused to testify have raked in more than $826,000 from corporate donors since the assault on the Capitol.

Why are these wealthy individuals and corporations doing this? Presumably because they want to pay as little in taxes as possible and believe Trump and his Republicans will deliver even more tax cuts than they did before.

But how is this capitalist thuggery in pursuit of profits different from Uber’s thuggery? And is it more excusable than the political thuggery it’s enabling?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -january-6
To state the question in historical terms, how different is their behavior from the wealthy European industrialists who quietly backed the fascists in the 1920s and 1930s?
These billionaire and corporate funders are as complicit as are the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers in threatening American democracy.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by rasetsu » Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:40 pm

I don't blame Democrats or the two-party system. The founders intentionally gave minorities levers with which to oppose a tyrannical majority -- the problem is the levers give the minority sufficient power to become the tyranny themselves.

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