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American Politics from 2019 on

Post by Tero » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:33 pm

The non Trump part of politics. Some of the material does not fit in Republicans or Democrats threads.

Did 58 000 illegals vote in Texas? When will we find out? Will it be fixed by 2020?

Elsewhere:
Here's another take on it. Seems the MSM is avoiding the subject for the most part. They're afraid that it's true and in light of the recent fake news stories they've leaped on they should be. I'm not, i trust the Texas AG.
Texas Secretary of State: As many as 58,000 non-citizens voted in elections

"Also, it’s not as if the Texas Secretary of State makes this announcement and suddenly the names on his list are removed. The Secretary of State in Texas doesn’t have the power to remove anyone from the voter rolls, so that will be done by county-level registrars. Those officials will check the names and give each identified person 30 days to demonstrate proof of citizenship. Only if they fail to do that or don’t respond at all will they be removed from the rolls.

It seems to me what’s really at stake here is the presumption that large-scale voter fraud doesn’t happen. If Texas can substantiate even a fraction of this list it would change the dynamic of future conversations about non-citizen voting. We’ll have to wait and see if that happens."
The 58 000 number is from a tweet by Texas AG and only appears in Fox and Townhall so far.
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Post by Tero » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:14 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/us/n ... texas.html

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The Texas secretary of state’s office on Friday called into question the citizenship status of 95,000 registered voters who were found to have identified themselves at some point to a state law enforcement agency as noncitizen, legal residents of the United States.

The office said its findings were a result of an 11-month investigation with the Texas Department of Public Safety that also found that about 58,000 people on the list had voted since 1996. The results of the investigation were referred on Friday to Attorney General Ken Paxton, who said he planned to open a potentially sprawling investigation.

The two announcements seemed certain to reignite partisan debates over the frequency and impact of voter fraud, which Republicans have claimed is rampant in America. Democrats scoff at that notion, and a voter fraud commission started by (and later angrily disbanded by) President Trump found no evidence of widespread electoral fraud.

“Every single instance of illegal voting threatens democracy in our state and deprives individual Texans of their voice,” Mr. Paxton, a firebrand conservative who has prosecuted isolated cases of illegal voting with gusto, said in a statement. “Nothing is more vital to preserving our Constitution than the integrity of our voting process, and my office will do everything within its abilities to solidify trust in every election in the state of Texas.”

But Democrats and voting rights advocates were skeptical of the state’s claims. More than 8.3 million people voted in the Texas governor’s race last year, which means that even if all 58,000 people who voted were, in fact, found to be noncitizens and voted in 2018 — a claim that no state official has made — they would have amounted to only 0.69 percent of all votes that were cast.

“Because we have consistently seen Texas politicians conjure the specter of voter fraud as pretext to suppress legitimate votes, we are naturally skeptical,” Representative Rafael Anchia, a Democrat in the Texas House of Representatives, said in a statement.


Kristen Clarke, the president of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, also cautioned that the state’s findings, and the speed with which the attorney general raised the specter of prosecution, could foreshadow an attempt at voter suppression.

“Texas has a rich history of undertaking action to make it harder for people to vote,” she said. “Whenever you’re invoking the threat of criminal prosecution, the chilling effect becomes almost unavoidable.”

Her organization sued Texas over its 2017 voter registration law, which a federal appeals court ruled last year was not discriminatory against black and Latino voters. She described the law on Friday as “one of the most restrictive voter ID laws in the nation.”

Kristen Clarke, the president of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, also cautioned that the state’s findings, and the speed with which the attorney general raised the specter of prosecution, could foreshadow an attempt at voter suppression.

“Texas has a rich history of undertaking action to make it harder for people to vote,” she said. “Whenever you’re invoking the threat of criminal prosecution, the chilling effect becomes almost unavoidable.”

Her organization sued Texas over its 2017 voter registration law, which a federal appeals court ruled last year was not discriminatory against black and Latino voters. She described the law on Friday as “one of the most restrictive voter ID laws in the nation.”
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Post by Tero » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:02 pm

Climate as politics:
Local TV weather experts were among the last holdouts in the science community to accept the consensus that humans are substantially responsible for climate change—so much so that in 2014 then-President Barack Obama met with some of them as part of his effort to sell his environmental policy agenda.

“I think a lot of the broadcasters were concerned that there was such a political divide within the population and if they were very vocal of any aspect of climate change some subset of their audience would not view them with a level of trust,” Keith Seitter, a meteorologist and the American Meteorological Society’s executive director, explained to me.
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Post by Tero » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:56 am

Texas voter fraud was...faulty tracking and bad data released to press too early.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/30/69002353 ... t=20190130
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Post by Woodbutcher » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:24 pm

That first picture looks like a lineup for a weight watchers meeting.
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Post by Hermit » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:07 am

Tero wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:56 am
Texas voter fraud was...faulty tracking and bad data released to press too early.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/30/69002353 ... t=20190130
Let's see if this list of illegal voters will evaporate to the same extent as a previous one.
Before the 2012 election, Florida compiled a list of roughly 180,000 names. After local officials combed through it, only 85 people were removed from the rolls.
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Post by Tero » Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:30 pm

Elsewhere, a comment on Senate and presidency:

The weird thing is how well it's worked up until now. No one seems to have realized we were on the honor system until one party stopped being honorable.

If you've got a group of people intelligently working towards the same goal of serving the country, honor works just fine, after all. The Republicans have been going almost observably further and further to the "party over country" mindset, though, since Limbaugh and Fox News became influential.
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Post by Tero » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:03 pm

nebraska cars.jpg
Out here in the prairie there is a problem of state income. Property taxes never get raised, so they are now going to tax a lot of services, as well as goods. One smart Republican came up with this brilliant scheme. Tax the electric cars for the gas tax that they avoided paying!
There is something Trumpian about it. The governor is a mini Trump, though not nearly as dumb.
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Post by Tero » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:45 am

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Holy shit! It’s a libertarian grass roots movement to destroy Federal Gov’t!
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Post by Tero » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:45 pm

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Assholes that do asshole things run the country, but Pillars of Society hold back attack on press..so far. Another Trump judge and things might happen.
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Post by Joe » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:26 pm

Colorado OKs joining National Popular Vote compact to cast all electoral votes for popular winner in presidential elections
Under a bill passed Thursday by the Colorado House, Colorado has agreed to join 12 other states in a compact system that aims to cast all its electoral votes for the winner of the national popular presidential vote.

The compact kicks in as soon as it is adopted by states possessing a combined 270 electoral votes, or a majority of the 538 electoral votes,

The bill passed the Democrat-controlled House and now goes to Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, who has pledged to sign it.

Colorado's nine electoral votes will join 10 other states, one commonwealth and one district for a total of 181 electoral votes, 89 votes short of becoming binding.

The National Popular Vote project, which began in 2006, in effect renders the Electoral College moot, eliminating any chance that a candidate can win the presidency without winning the popular vote nationally.

Colorado will join California, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington state.
But don't count those 9 votes just yet.
Just as quickly as the bill left the legislature, a challenge was filed in order to check it.

Mesa County Commissioner Rose Pugliese and Mayor Don Wilson of Monument, in El Paso County, petitioned the Secretary of State’s office to bring the bill before voters in 2020. Pugliese, a Republican, thinks state lawmakers shouldn’t give “away our Electoral College votes without actually consulting with the voters of Colorado.”
So, if it gets on the ballot, we'll have a popular vote on having a popular vote.
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Post by Tero » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:34 pm

But the farmer and rancher won’t be heard. Hard working rural people...directed by Monsanto to get max yield...must choose the president! They’ve earned it! maga!
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Post by Joe » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:43 pm

Oh yeah, and don't forget the genius of the Founding Fathers and their Divine Plan.
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Re: American Politics from 2019 on

Post by laklak » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:45 pm

Electric cars should pay the tax. Fuel taxes go to maintain and build highways, which electric cars use. It's either that or start taxing electricity.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Tero » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:47 pm

We tax electricity. In Colorado
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