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Re: Media Bias

Post by Sean Hayden » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:06 am

Sure, it feels like progress is sustainable for a successful EU.

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Re: Media Bias

Post by JimC » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:18 am

Sean Hayden wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:22 pm
Yes, and no.

Concerning the survivability of something like the social progress we've made so far, I think we tend to overestimate the significance of recent history. Worse, we consistently neglect to factor into our predictions the failure of social progress to even start, much less thrive in so much of the world.
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You are talking about your own country?
I suspect that Sean was referring to third world and possibly Islamic countries...
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Sean Hayden » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:31 am

...define progress! :lay:

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:39 am

When applications are sent in for a position here HR have to remove all personal details from the application and give it a code for the selection board. Personal details include name, age, gender and nationality. Is that not progress?
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:48 am

Progress would be moving past the application as a useful metric for hiring decisions. :levi:

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:02 am

In a perfect world maybe.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by JimC » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:19 am

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...define progress! :lay:
Well, one has to use examples. Perhaps the simplest is the realisation that homosexuality, at least in most western countries, is not a criminal offence...
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:13 am

All forms of gender is acceptable. What is between the legs does not matter anymore. That is real progress. You can be who ever you want. I wish I had that freedom when I was young.
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Hermit » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:39 pm

A hundred years ago women could not sign contracts, were not allowed to become university students, and there was no rape in marriage. Paying women less than men for doing the same job, such as nursing and teaching, was officially sanctioned. Many employers, such as banks, routinely dismissed female employees the moment they got married. Having children out of wedlock was a huge scandal. Domestic violence was ignored.

Homosexuality was a crime. The UK jailed homosexuals into the second half of the century. Alan Turing was castrated for it.

People who claim that we overestimate the significance of recent history should study some of it. Emotional blathering borne of ignorance does not reflect very well on them.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:57 pm

I worry--in one post--about the sustainability of the progress we've made, given it is relatively recent and absent over much of the world, and your response is to name some of the progress, and then accuse me of ignorant emotional blathering?

Fuck off Hermit.

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Re: Media Bias

Post by Hermit » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:53 am

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I worry--in one post--about the sustainability of the progress we've made, given it is relatively recent and absent over much of the world, and your response is to name some of the progress, and then accuse me of ignorant emotional blathering?
Yes. :coffee:
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No. :mrgreen:
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:56 am

It's a shit response from you.

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Re: Media Bias

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:26 am

I knew it was possible someone would take the use of "significance" from my post to be about the impact progress has had on oppressed people. But my intention was to talk about mistaking that impact's significance for an indication of the sustainability of that progress. I was prepared to talk about that.

Honestly though, I didn't even remember after reading Hermit's post.

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Re: Media Bias

Post by JimC » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:41 am

So, it is pretty clear that massive progress has occurred in many areas, much as Hermit said (although he needn't have added the snark...). By sustainability, I take it to mean concerns that such social improvements could be reversed. I don't think that will happen in the normal course of things, although clearly if there was a massive disruption which effectively broke down advanced societies completely, the aftermath could be a very nasty place indeed...
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Re: Media Bias

Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:47 am

But aren't major disruptions part of the normal course of things?

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