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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:26 pm

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Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:11 pm
The ACA was all Obama or Hillary could pass. No Democrat besides Bernie and maybe 3 more would have voted for Medicare for all. The Insurance industry wrote the ACA. So capitalism was at the table.

Just like Monsanto writes the Farm Bill.
....doesn't change the fact that Obama and the gang promised lower premiums as a result of what they said was a fantastic piece of legislation that would solve our health care issues at the time - reduce premiums and reduce the overall amount of money spent on healthcare. As you are well aware, they correctly pointed out that our health care at the time was far worse than Cuba or the Dominican Republic's health care. We spent more per capita than any other country on earth, and we received third world (below third world and below second world) health care outcomes. The ACA was passed to fix that.

To say that it was a stepping stone to single-payer, well, that's just a great big conspiracy theory lie peddled by the right wing..... :tut:
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:50 pm

Just bite the bullet, cut out greedy insurance companies and have universal health care for all... :tea:
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:53 pm

SOCIALISM!!!
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:57 pm

The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead,
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

Look 'round, the Frenchman loves its blaze,
The sturdy German chants its praise,
In Moscow's vaults its hymns are sung
Chicago swells the surging throng.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It waved above our infant might,
When all ahead seemed dark as night;
It witnessed many a deed and vow,
We must not change its colour now.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It well recalls the triumphs past,
It gives the hope of peace at last;
The banner bright, the symbol plain,
Of human right and human gain.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It suits today the weak and base,
Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
To cringe before the rich man's frown,
And haul the sacred emblem down.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

With heads uncovered swear we all
To bear it onward till we fall;
Come dungeons dark or gallows grim,
This song shall be our parting hymn.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:00 pm

JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:50 pm
Just bite the bullet, cut out greedy insurance companies and have universal health care for all... :tea:
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:01 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:53 pm
SOCIALISM!!!
What about it?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:03 pm

JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:57 pm
The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead,
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:03 pm

rEv was sarcastically accusing me, a card-carrying centrist (withy a small penchant for posting the red flag at times, admittedly...) of being a socialist!

How dare he! :lay:

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:04 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:01 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:53 pm
SOCIALISM!!!
What about it?
Universal healthcare! :hairfire:
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:06 pm

Well, I was feelin’ sad and feelin’ blue
I didn’t know what in the world I wus gonna do
Them Communists they wus comin’ around
They wus in the air
They wus on the ground
They wouldn’t gimme no peace . . .

So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin’ down the road
Yee-hoo, I’m a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!

Now we all agree with Hitler’s views
Although he killed six million Jews
It don’t matter too much that he was a Fascist
At least you can’t say he was a Communist!
That’s to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria

Well, I wus lookin’ everywhere for them gol-darned Reds
I got up in the mornin’ ’n’ looked under my bed
Looked in the sink, behind the door
Looked in the glove compartment of my car
Couldn’t find ’em . . .

I wus lookin’ high an’ low for them Reds everywhere
I wus lookin’ in the sink an’ underneath the chair
I looked way up my chimney hole
I even looked deep down inside my toilet bowl
They got away . . .

Well, I wus sittin’ home alone an’ started to sweat
Figured they wus in my T.V. set
Peeked behind the picture frame
Got a shock from my feet, hittin’ right up in the brain
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did . . . them hard-core ones

Well, I quit my job so I could work all alone
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol’ Betsy Ross . . .

Well, I investigated all the books in the library
Ninety percent of ’em gotta be burned away
I investigated all the people that I knowed
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go
The other two percent are fellow Birchers . . . just like me

Now Eisenhower, he’s a Russian spy
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy
To my knowledge there’s just one man
That’s really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus

Well, I fin’ly started thinkin’ straight
When I run outa things to investigate
Couldn’t imagine doin’ anything else
So now I’m sittin’ home investigatin’ myself!
Hope I don’t find out anything . . . hmm, great God!
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Tero » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:30 pm

How is that Trump care plan working?
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:46 pm

Tero wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:30 pm
How is that Trump care plan working?
Since the current plan is the ACA, it's working as shitty as can be expected.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:48 pm

And in any case, it can be a healthcare equivalent of a mixed economy - there would still be private hospitals and doctors for those prepared to pay extra, but with good, standard health care available for all. I'm not saying our model is by any means perfect, but at least it's not Third World care for the poor...
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:53 pm

JimC wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:48 pm
And in any case, it can be a healthcare equivalent of a mixed economy - there would still be private hospitals and doctors for those prepared to pay extra, but with good, standard health care available for all. I'm not saying our model is by any means perfect, but at least it's not Third World care for the poor...
We have good, standard healthcare available for all, and we had that before Obamacare inflated all the prices.

It's not third world care for the poor here either, and wasn't 10 years ago. That was a purposeful lie.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Tero » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:53 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:46 pm
Tero wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:30 pm
How is that Trump care plan working?
Since the current plan is the ACA, it's working as shitty as can be expected.
Shop here. 24 dollars a month. Unless you are a pre-existing condition.
https://www.healthinsurance.org/short-t ... insurance/
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
Said Daemon, who's sorry too, but y'see we didn't have no choice
And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
Our case for survival before it's too late

Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
Turn stone to bread right away...

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