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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:52 am

Not such a bad idea. :yayay:
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:23 am

Childhood vccination isn't a freedom or choice issue, it's a public health imperative.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Hermit » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:27 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:23 am
Childhood vccination isn't a freedom or choice issue, it's a public health imperative.
That's what the enemies of freedom want you to believe.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:40 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:23 am
Childhood vccination isn't a freedom or choice issue, it's a public health imperative.
Of course it is. Those idiots dont realise what so many have done to achieve this situation whereby control of illness has been finally achieved.

It is going to be made compulsory here; the bill is going through parliament. Already unvaccinated children are not welcome in any nursery school. The social pressure on parents is immense and is working.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by JimC » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:31 am

Hermit wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:48 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:15 am
GOP - The party of science.
It's the only party defending freedom in the USA. If governments are permitted to force immunisation for the good of society, they will finish up with the right to perform summary executions of libertarians, billionaires and billionaire aspirants in the same grounds. :prof:
Sounds like a right worth fighting for... :tea:
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Hermit » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:53 am

JimC wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:31 am
Hermit wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:48 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:15 am
GOP - The party of science.
It's the only party defending freedom in the USA. If governments are permitted to force immunisation for the good of society, they will finish up with the right to perform summary executions of libertarians, billionaires and billionaire aspirants in the same grounds. :prof:
Sounds like a right worth fighting for... :tea:
This is the point at which Coito Two would trundle up his favourite excerpt from the movie version of Robert Bolt's Man for All Seasons and perhaps all or part of the most popular version of Martin Niemöller's best known poem, were he online just now. Seth would mention machinegun bearing, jackbooted SAS troops smashing through the front door of your home and holding you mercilessly over a barrel because you have foolishly allowed yourself to be disarmed earlier. In short, the fight against compulsory vaccination is a fight against the thin edge of incipient tyranny!!!
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:17 am

Say what you will, Republicans aren't afraid to elect passionate defenders of whatever it is that they believe. Unlike those wimpy Democrats, who've never elevated to public office an antifa activist (or 'leftist scum' of any other stripe) who unapologetically traffics in violent rhetoric and calls for blood.

'Russell Pearce, author of SB 1070: 'It may take the shedding of blood' to save U.S.'
Russell Pearce, the hard-right conservative who helped write Arizona’s toughest-in-the-nation law to curb illegal immigration years ago, said the U.S. may have to confront a violent chapter to save itself.

Pearce, the former president of the Arizona State Senate, made the remarks during a right-wing rally Monday dubbed “Patriotism Over Socialism.”

The rally included speeches by U.S. Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., Arizona Republican Party chairwoman Kelli Ward, and right-wing activist Laura Loomer, who was banned from Twitter and for using Uber and Lyft over her anti-Muslim posts.

“And it may take the shedding of blood to keep this Republic,” said Pearce, who is employed by the Maricopa County Treasurer. “And I, for one, am willing to do whatever it takes.”

It is unclear what Pearce was speaking about leading up to the quote, which was captured on video.

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American University professor Susan Benesch said comments such as Pearce’s lower the normal barriers to violence that people have.

It is difficult to quantitatively measure whether there has been an uptick in this sort of rhetoric, she said.

Benesch said incendiary language is linked to the pipe bombs sent to Democrats last year, and the 2018 murders of 11 Jewish people at the Pittsburgh synagogue.

“Both of these men were heavily influenced by other people who made violence seem not only acceptable, but necessary or justified because they were invariably describing threats,” she said.

Benesch added of Pearce: “By talking this way, he increases the chance that other people will” engage in violence.
Maybe he could have just kept it between himself and some trusted comrades.

'Republican discussed violent attacks and surveillance with rightwingers'
A Washington state Republican politician took part in private discussions with rightwing figures about carrying out surveillance, “psyops” and even violent attacks on perceived political enemies, according to chat records obtained by the Guardian.

State representative Matt Shea, who represents Spokane Valley in the Washington state house, participated in the chats with three other men. All of the men used screen aliases – Shea’s was “Verum Bellator”, Latin for true warrior. The Guardian confirmed the identity of those in the chat by cross-checking phone numbers attached to the Signal accounts.

The group included Jack Robertson, who broadcasts a far-right radio show, Radio Free Redoubt, under the alias “John Jacob Schmidt”. The chat also included Anthony Bosworth, whose history includes a public altercation with his own daughter and bringing guns to a court house. Bosworth participated in the 2016 occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge, reportedly at Shea’s request.

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The men proposed to confront leftists – whom they repeatedly refer to as “communists” and “Antifa” – with a suite of tactics, including violence.

Anthony Bosworth:
When we locate antifa members we can confront their parents their workplaces their landlords. We can hit them in there safe spaces
This should become a Pure psyops operation
If we can catch a few of them alone and work him over a little bit
[snipped more of the same, and worse]

Shea, the elected Republican legislator, did not demur from any of these suggestions. He also appeared willing to participate directly in surveillance of activists.

In response to a request in the chat for background checks on Spokane residents, Shea volunteered to help, going on to name three individuals – including an organizer for the liberal group Indivisible, and a college professor.

...

The men talked about the broad outlines of what they appeared to consider to be a looming civil war. They also discussed using symbols from what they understood to be Russian anti-communist groups as a way of spreading paranoia among their adversaries.

The group talked about making stickers and cards using skull and crossbones images from post-revolutionary Russian nationalist groups. ...

Shea, a six-term legislator and military veteran, came to international attention in 2018 after a document he authored surfaced laying out a “biblical basis for war”, which appeared to be a plan for an apocalyptic battle with people who practiced “same sex marriage” and “abortion”, and instructed: “If they do not yield, kill all males.”

Shea denied that the document meant what it appeared to say.

At that time, Shea lost donors, and he was stripped of his role as chair of the Republican caucus – though he was serving in this position at the time of the leaked chat.

But Shea has since regrouped, introducing bills to criminalize abortion and roll back gun laws, which other Republicans in Washington have supported. He has also continued pushing a plan for eastern Washington to secede and reconstitute as Liberty State. Robertson has also been a key architect of this campaign, and he and Shea have been regular guests on each other’s broadcasts.

Shea has long promoted conspiratorial views about the cooperation of leftists and Muslims in creating “counter-states” in the US. He has associated with conspiracy-minded far-right groups, and later this month will emcee a dinner for the anti-communist John Birch society in Couer D’Alene, Idaho.

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Seabass » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:57 am

There's good people on both sides. :coffee:
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Svartalf » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:40 am

Hermit wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:48 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:15 am
GOP - The party of science.
It's the only party defending freedom in the USA. If governments are permitted to force immunisation for the good of society, they will finish up with the right to perform summary executions of libertarians, billionaires and billionaire aspirants in the same grounds. :prof:
and given how toxic billionaires are, let's just look at the current POTUS? where's the wrong in that?
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Svartalf » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:42 am

Hermit wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:27 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:23 am
Childhood vccination isn't a freedom or choice issue, it's a public health imperative.
That's what the enemies of freedom want you to believe.
better be a dead hero than a living slave or something of that order?
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Hermit » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:50 am

Svartalf wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:42 am
Hermit wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:27 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:23 am
Childhood vccination isn't a freedom or choice issue, it's a public health imperative.
That's what the enemies of freedom want you to believe.
better be a dead hero than a living slave or something of that order?
Close. "It is better to die in your boots than to live on your knees." That's what our inveterate fighters for freedom say anyway. Nice theory. In practice they let their industrial cannon fodder do the dying while they themselves use their own boots to kick their lackeys to death.
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Post by Tero » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:56 am

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:50 am

Hermit wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:53 am
JimC wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:31 am
Hermit wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:48 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:15 am
GOP - The party of science.
It's the only party defending freedom in the USA. If governments are permitted to force immunisation for the good of society, they will finish up with the right to perform summary executions of libertarians, billionaires and billionaire aspirants in the same grounds. :prof:
Sounds like a right worth fighting for... :tea:
This is the point at which Coito Two would trundle up his favourite excerpt from the movie version of Robert Bolt's Man for All Seasons and perhaps all or part of the most popular version of Martin Niemöller's best known poem, were he online just now. Seth would mention machinegun bearing, jackbooted SAS troops smashing through the front door of your home and holding you mercilessly over a barrel because you have foolishly allowed yourself to be disarmed earlier. In short, the fight against compulsory vaccination is a fight against the thin edge of incipient tyranny!!!
...I guess you don't understand the Man For All Seasons bit. It has nothing to do with the law requiring compulsory vaccinations. It might, however, relate to an issue of criminalizing anti-vaccination viewpoints. Can you take a guess at the distinction?

Seth might mention a lot of things. We can only make his arguments for him, since he is subject to a prior restraint and we are now safely protected from any chance at hearing it out directly. See how that works?
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:58 am

Tero wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:56 am
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"You see this outrage when I speak the truth. Everyone else's truth is allowed, but my truth can never be." - Ilhan Omar.

Huh, it's as if she thinks she should be allowed to voice her opinion, even if some other group says that her views are hateful and bigoted.

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Huh, it's as if she thinks her intent matters when she's making statements that cause other people pain. She should know that her microaggressions and unconscious bigotry is not based on her intent, but on the impact it has on the people she's harming.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Hermit » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:31 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:50 am
...I guess you don't understand the Man For All Seasons bit.
I understand it completely. The key phrase is: "Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake." Right?

I would too, if the law were adequate protection for my safety to begin with. The paradox of tolerance - in conjunction with historical precedence - indicates that it is not.
Forty Two wrote:
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Seth might mention a lot of things. We can only make his arguments for him, since he is subject to a prior restraint and we are now safely protected from any chance at hearing it out directly.
Seth's suspension expired in September 2017. He is free to post in this forum any time he likes.
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