Tariffs, Tarrifs, Tarrifs!

[Tero]

The tariffs solve nothing. Balance of trade is going to be as it is as long as we pay Asian workers less than a dollar an hour. Mexico is catching up, and will be on equal footing with us, though still a bit overpopulated.

[Sean Hayden]

You're still not giving me a solution.

Suppose I don't buy the line that you can sell us out completely because we are transforming into a new kind of economy. What if I believe instead that what's going to happen to America is that it's going to be gutted, and find itself unable to achieve anything like its previous success in the new economies. That inequality is just going to get worse.

[Tero]

There is no near term solution. Until the planet has roughly the same level of comfort and salary, we are going to waste a lot of energy hauling STUFF made in Asia here, spending most of the tar sands oil as heavy diesel fuel. Once we spend enough of the fuel that its cost is up to 50% of the plastic spoon from China will we have automation. We will then make more consumer products near by, like in Mexico.

[Tero]

”Manufacturing experts say that in many cases manufacturers go overseas simply because they can't find enough workers to fill the jobs they have. Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that there were a record high 506,000 manufacturing jobs open in the U.S. in August.

"From an employer's perspective, there is a huge shortage of labor," says Scott Jacobs, executive director of the Great Lakes Trade Adjustment Assistance Center, which assists firms that have been hurt by imports. "One of the things that would really help manufacturers is an even greater focus on trying to provide communities with assistance to really help colleges or companies themselves develop training programs."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/12/01/busi ... index.html

[laklak]

Bring back apprenticeships and make university more expensive. Drive those gender studies students into the factories.

[laklak]

New trade deal with Canada and Mexico. China and U.S. freezing tariffs for at least 90 days. Could there be method to his madness? Now we'll see what he does with GM, who needs to get the ever living shit kicked out of them. Cost the U.S.taxpayer 11.3 billion bucks to bail their asses out the first time, and now they start closing plants. I'd rather pay the workers out of tax funds than give any more to those faithless fuckers. They brought the first meltdown entirely on themselves, and now they can't sell their cars because their quality is shit because they fucked it up....again. Fuck them, let them die.

[pErvinalia]

”Manufacturing experts say that in many cases manufacturers go overseas simply because they can't find enough workers to fill the jobs they have. Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that there were a record high 506,000 manufacturing jobs open in the U.S. in August.

"From an employer's perspective, there is a huge shortage of labor," says Scott Jacobs, executive director of the Great Lakes Trade Adjustment Assistance Center, which assists firms that have been hurt by imports. "One of the things that would really help manufacturers is an even greater focus on trying to provide communities with assistance to really help colleges or companies themselves develop training programs."
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/12/01/busi ... index.html

Lack of workers? LOL. They go there for one reason and one reason only - profits.

[Tero]

People are unwilling to go into manufacture if they have service jobs available, as service never gets shut down.

[Tero]

"it doesn't matter to him what the details are as long as he looks strong to his supporters," said Mintaro Oba, a former U.S. State Department official.
The White House, however, did not back up Trump's claims about China ending tariffs, but referred instead to a temporary agreement not to raise them further. And it gave little indication of China "opening up."
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/12/03/us- ... rsion.html

[Tero]

50 000 farms and ranches lose a billion

https://www.1011now.com/content/news/Re ... 18551.html

https://cropwatch.unl.edu/2017/nebraska ... rease-2016

[Seabass]

"a blimp with jaundice"

[Tero]

US trade explained before and after Trump
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/ ... up-1355870
Trump with his tweets was not able to articulate the China problem.

[Tero]

[laklak]

Well, the Mexicans are falling over themselves to cut a deal before the tariffs actually bite. First time they've ever taken the border situation seriously. O'Bammy could talk up a fucking storm, and the Mexicans nodded their heads and said "Si, Si, we're working on it", and then did exactly fuck all. Trump threatens tarriffs and suddenly there's a high level delegation in D.C. to "discuss" this issue? Discuss what? How about you stop letting literally hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens march through your country completely unrestricted, so long as they're swiming the Rio Grande and not taking up residence in Tijuana. Exactly what the fuck are we supposed to do? Make up the fucking couch? Give them a burrito and a green card? NOBODY else on the planet allows this sort of unregulated, illegal immigration, not any country in Europe, not any country in Africa, nor Asia, but we're supposed to because.....Trump? FFS. 133,000 last month, and that's just who they caught. You know goddamn well that's 10-15% of the total, so we're looking at several million uneducated, unskilled, peasant farmers crossing the borders every year. How is any coutry supposed to deal with that? The Hondurans don't want them, the Guatemalans don't want them, the Mexicans sure as hell don't want them, so they just send them north. Fuck that, not our circus, not our monkeys. I don't mind buying Florida avocados, and I grow my own limes. Fuck Mexico. Sort your shit out, esse.

[Brian Peacock]

I'd suggest that the problem isn't the border, or even that people want to get into the US, but that the places these people are coming from are, to coin a phrase, 'shithole countries.' All the US is doing is trying to put a bandaid on an ever-expanding puddle of blood.