Forty Two wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:37 am
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The reason I bring it up is that the only difference between Israel being a perfectly fine, yet arbitrarily delineated, State just like Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, etc., is that it's Jewish, not Muslim. That's the only reason people are bitching about it. They think that making a Jewish state there was not acceptable. The one thing they can't explain is why, other than its non-Muslimness, why other than that is it illegitimate? Is there something in the soil that makes it rightfully "Islamic?" Of course not.
I'll leave you to answer your own extraneous questions, but some people might not think that this is all about Muslims, as you appear to - just that it's high time that the historical folly and error of expunging people from their homes by force was acknowledged - perhaps in a similar way the terrible treatment of Native American or Native Australians has been acknowledged, and in the hope of moving on. But it's difficult to move on if one cannot put the past behind one, and perhaps impossible when that past is not even acknowledged, or if it acknowledged is gaslighted beyond recognition.
Sectarianism thrives on justifying the action of one's group in terms of the actions of the other - it's a form of hand-waving really, a way of making others responsible for one's own choices and actions. Taking overly-detailed issue with a cartoon that necessarily deals in the broadest of strokes, avoiding engaging on the exclusion of Palestinian communities by force, and effectively carping on about how the Palestinian people have no real or legitimate cause to complain about what happened to their forebares during the formation of Israel (because they weren't even a proper country at the time) comes across as indistinguishable from disingenuous cant.
What position are you defending here exactly? Is it that creating a Jewish state entitles one to violently seize the property of others and force the survivors off their own land - as long as one stoically avoids recognising the occupants claim to that land in the first place? That's a fine message to send out isn't it(?), and one might argue that ISIS's attempts to establish a fundamentalist caliphate in the region is simply following Israel's bloody historical precedent. Or is your point that acknowledging the Palestinian people were treated shoddily and harshly, by proto-Israel and the International community at the time, and to some extent still are, means that must be, and therefore is, the same as starting from the position that making a Jewish state was/is unacceptable? I ask you this because your posting seems to cover both points. On short, are you arguing on behalf of Israel and the actions taken against the Palestinian people at the time, or just against those who have recognised that action as an historical injustice?
If you chose to reply to this post I'd ask you to do me the courtesy of replying to the paragraphs rather than fisking it by the sub-clause.
It's gone very quiet....