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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Cunt » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:55 am

laklak wrote:
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Hillary was a shoo-in, 95% chance of winning.
Honestly, I think most are making the opposite error this time around. Trump should win, he's got lots of great stuff going on, and all the Dems offer is 'fuck Trump'.

Trouble is, 'fuck Trump' will get a LOT of voters out.

Interesting times, for sure. I wonder if they will keep chanting 'impeach impeach' right up to the election lol
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Post by Tero » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:01 am

Yeahbut the election is now about Trump. You can't ignore the elephant in the room.
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Post by Tero » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:07 pm

Hannity, Fox's biggest star, said this: "Joe Biden's tired. He does not have the energy for this. He's not up for this challenge. They're already hiding him like they hid Hillary. They don't want him out there."

Trump himself has hinted at similar themes in his early attacks on Biden, the current frontrunner for the 2020 Democratic nod. "Joe Biden got tongue tied over the weekend when he was unable to properly deliver a very simple line about his decision to run for President," Trump tweeted in March. "Get used to it, another low I.Q. individual!" And his nickname for Biden -- "Sleepy Joe" -- isn't accidental either.
These attacks clearly are designed to raise questions in voters' minds about electing Biden, who would be 78 on Inauguration Day 2021. That would make Biden the oldest president elected to a first term, breaking the record of -- you guessed it! -- Donald Trump, who was elected at age 70. Which makes the he's-too-old-to-do-the-job argument a little tin-eared.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/10/politics ... index.html
somewhere hidden in the campaigning and backroom talk, I hear just this: Biden is just doing us a favor, running just to get to dump trump, for one term, and his VP would run in 2024.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:55 pm

That's what your country needs more of. Ancient white men as President.
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Post by Cunt » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:51 pm

That's what pErvinalia is proudest of - being a racist against white men, ageist against elders and in favour of meddling in a country he isn't part of.

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Post by Tero » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:14 am

Biden:
His attacks on the independence of the Courts. Whether it was saying a judge with Mexican ancestry couldn't give him a fair hearing to his attacks now on "Obama" judges -- he's looking to tear down the constraints the courts have put on him. And it's gone beyond that to attack the full range of our law enforcement agencies. And Congress.
What he's doing isn't your typical battle between two co-equal branches of government.
He is deliberately and completely ignoring the legitimate authority of the Congress -- and he's doing it with the full complicity of the Republicans in Congress who know better.
In 2020, we not only have to repudiate Donald Trump's policies and values -- we have to clearly and firmly reject his view of the Presidency.
"I have the complete power."
"I have the absolute power."
"Only I can fix it."
We're at a moment when we need to re-set Constitutional norms in this country. The Presidency is not without limits. The Congress is a co-equal branch of government.
There are some in our party who say the response to what we're living through is to ram through what we can when we get power.
We will regret that.
I know government is sometimes a knife-fight -- and you have to go it alone to get something big done like health care. But it can't be a permanent frame of mind. So -- yes -- I will look to work with the Congress. I will work across the aisle. I will seek to find consensus.
That's not naïve. That's not some old-fashioned way of doing things that no longer works. That's the way our system is supposed to work. And we are going to rue the day we decide to walk away from the fundamentals of American Democracy.

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Post by Tero » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:09 am

Biden trying to move away from belief he would serve one term.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... -president
Biden is 76
Sanders is 77, 78 in September.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:57 am

How accurate are polls these days? They were wrong about Hilary and Trump.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by laklak » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:02 am

They haven't had a good track record recently. Let's all bet. I'll hold the money.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:55 am

One stupid bookie agency in Australia paid out a Labor win at the recent election before the actual election occurred, they were that confident of the polls. Labor lost.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Cunt » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:07 am

Stephen Fry is going to take the Democratic party to a 2020 win. Who will his Vice-President be?
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Hermit » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:49 am

Not having been born in Kenya, Stephen Fry is disqualified from standing for the US presidency.

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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Tero » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:51 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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How accurate are polls these days? They were wrong about Hilary and Trump.
They are accurate to the percentage of popular vote.Trump getting 40% is not good. You can win the presidency with 43%. But you need a third party guy to take 10%
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Un ... l_election

Bush Gore was more normal, so 45% polling is actually bad as well, if the real number is more than 45%.
Percentage Bush 47.9% Gore 48.4%
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:05 am

Not if the Russians are fixing the Electoral College you dont.
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