How Australia's cities really stack up

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How Australia's cities really stack up

Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:55 pm

For those in Ozland:

Too many cars, too few supermarkets: how Australia's cities really stack up
Magazines may gush about the ‘liveability’ of Australian cities, but new data shows big disparities in transport, rents and health
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Re: How Australia's cities really stack up

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:07 pm

Without first reading the article, it's a fucking nightmare here in our capital cities (actually, I don't know about Adelaide, but no wants to live there anyway). Housing affordability (both purchasing and rental) is shocking. Public transport isn't well integrated in most cities, although Melbourne with its extensive tram network is very easy to get around in. Too many cars on the road. Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney, at least, suffer horrendous traffic jams. I think health care in the big cities is pretty awesome, but it's not as awesome in the country. But there is the renowned Flying Doctors service for the really remote areas.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:54 pm

'Liveability' seems oddly defined. You do have have plenty of space which can be a blessing or a curse. Density is important for public transport. What surprises me is the lack of bicycle infrastructure. Plenty of wide avenues (Melbourne). You have a great climate for cycling so get the people out of their cars and get biking.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:41 pm

Melbourne weather is utterly miserable for half the year (including howling Antarctic winds), and blisteringly hot for the rest of the year. It's not really the best place for cycling (other than being flat). Brisbane has a lot of cycle paths, but it's so fucking hilly it sucks balls to cycle there. And in summer its so humid you need to take a change of clothes with you. Dunno about Sydney.
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Re: How Australia's cities really stack up

Post by laklak » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:28 pm

They all rank at the top of "weird shit that will kill the fuck out of you".
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: How Australia's cities really stack up

Post by Rum » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:38 pm

They all beat Hemel Hempstead, hands down. Officially our ugliest town.
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Re: How Australia's cities really stack up

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:40 pm

What is that?

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Post by Rum » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:42 pm

Part of the ugly.

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Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:49 pm

I want to make it fall down.

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Re: How Australia's cities really stack up

Post by Forty Two » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:19 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:For those in Ozland:

Too many cars, too few supermarkets: how Australia's cities really stack up
Magazines may gush about the ‘liveability’ of Australian cities, but new data shows big disparities in transport, rents and health
To summarize the article, to not have "big disparities" the Ozzies need to live all cramped up together in smaller houses and/or small apartments, so that it's feasible to put bus stops and supermarkets nearer to everybody's homes, and they would drive cars less.

Ozzies, shrink your houses! Get rid of your cars! Go live like the Dutch and squeeze a family of four in 75 square meter apartments. The Ozzies have beaten out the Merkins in home size these days. Goodonya mates! Put anotha shrimp on the barbie! Have yourself a bottle of Victoria Bitters, and enjoy your nice, big yard! You're in a livable place, despite having to drive to the supermarket.
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Re: How Australia's cities really stack up

Post by JimC » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:48 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:'Liveability' seems oddly defined. You do have have plenty of space which can be a blessing or a curse. Density is important for public transport. What surprises me is the lack of bicycle infrastructure. Plenty of wide avenues (Melbourne). You have a great climate for cycling so get the people out of their cars and get biking.
Over the past few years, the bike network has grown a fair bit, and there are many people who commute by bike - my eldest son (now working in NZ) used to ride a few km to work everyday.

But it's true that the traffic situation is pretty bad. Now I'm retired, I try to limit my car use. I can walk to some places, and if I'm doing a big supermarket shop, I try to think of any other places I need a car for, and hit them all on the same loop. When I go into the city centre, I always use a bus. Trams are good in and around the city as well...
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Re: How Australia's cities really stack up

Post by JimC » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:51 pm

pErvinalia wrote:Melbourne weather is utterly miserable for half the year (including howling Antarctic winds), and blisteringly hot for the rest of the year.
A little bit exaggerated, this... ;)
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Re: How Australia's cities really stack up

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:28 am

Sean Hayden wrote:I want to make it fall down.
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Re: How Australia's cities really stack up

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:31 am

JimC wrote:
pErvinalia wrote:Melbourne weather is utterly miserable for half the year (including howling Antarctic winds), and blisteringly hot for the rest of the year.
A little bit exaggerated, this... ;)
Maybe.. :whistle:
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