Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by Jason » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:49 pm

I wouldn't think so... I expect nothing more than mutual petting.

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Post by Tero » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:58 pm

Russian intel officers charged with hacking Dems, Clinton to disrupt election
The charges brought by special counsel Robert Mueller were revealed just days before President Donald Trump meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Twelve Russian intelligence officers have been indicted in connection with hacking of Democratic organizations and the Hillary Clinton campaign "with the intent to interfere" in the 2016 election, officials announced Friday.

The charges brought by special counsel Robert Mueller and announced by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein come at a diplomatically sensitive time — just days before President Donald Trump has his first formal meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki.

Among the new details: the conspirators allegedly first tried to compromise email accounts used by Clinton's personal office on July 27, 2016, the same day that Trump appeared to urge Russia to go after her emails at a campaign press conference in Florida.
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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:05 pm

Pipped by Tero as I prepared this post. :biggrin:

Putin said it never happened. I expect he'll reassure Trump of it yet again, and Trump will tell everybody about it.

'Here are 6 stunning revelations from Mueller’s new indictments of 12 Russian officers'
Friday afternoon Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein unveiled that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe has just led to a grand jury indicting 12 Russian government officials for criminal hacking related to the 2016 presidential election.

They successfully hacked the Democratic National Committee, the Hillary Clinton campaign, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, various state government offices and the election systems of several states.

500,000 voters’ data was accessed, according to Rosenstein.

The indictment itself, which can be read via the Dept. of Justice website, makes even more stunning revelations, like these:

On July 27, 2016, then-candidate Trump made his now-infamous and very public request to hack Hillary Clinton’s email accounts: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”

Via the indictment, the Russian officials that same evening tried “for the first time” to hack Clinton’s emails...
Oh, and NO COLLUSION!!

'Mueller’s New Indictment Points to Collusion With Russia'

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Post by Tero » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:08 pm

No collusion, yet his tainted presidency is ready to hand over concessions to Putin.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:07 pm

Putin's word outweighs the findings of any US intelligence agency. I really think the Donald is being well and truly handled (in the psychological, intelligence sense of the word - not in the Stormy Daniels sense of the word!).
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Post by Jason » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:20 pm

I imagine Donald melts like butter from just a little praise from Vlad.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:24 pm

And bends over quietly and awaits the inevitable...
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Post by Tero » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:16 pm

As his first witness, Trump calls....Putin!
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/ ... mit-722418
How did the press not see this coming? They listed Syria Nato etc as topics.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:48 pm

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Post by Tero » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:53 pm

some of the text
Mariia Butina, Woman Who Sought ‘Back Channel’ Meeting for Trump and Putin, Is Charged as Russian Agent
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Prosecutor said that, among the organizations that Ms. Butina infiltrated was an American gun-rights organization. The New York Times has previously reported that Ms. Butina established deep ties to the National Rifle Association and tried to use that organization to help broker meetings with American political leaders, including Mr. Trump and members of his campaign.

The charges were filed by Justice Department national security prosecutors, not the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, whom Mr. Trump has accused of carrying out a witch hunt.

The Justice Department said that Ms. Butina has worked at the behest of an unidentified high-level Russian government official, who has been previously identified as Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of the Russian central bank who has been linked both to Russia’s security services and organized crime.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:00 pm

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Re: Trump and Russia; Spasiba, Harasho!

Post by Rum » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:11 pm

I sometimes think I am hopelessly optimistic. Am I the only one who hopes against hope that Trump is playing the game his way by his rules and that it might pay off in some unexpected way?

No I thought not.

The man is an utter idiot and is somehow and unbelievably President of the most powerful nation on the planet.

Let's hope he manages not to blow us all up before he's done.

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Post by Seabass » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:24 pm

So a Russian agent gave money to Trump via NRA. Who cares? There's nothing wrong with meddling in foreign elections! Everyone does it, including us! Funny how no one was bothered when Obama did it. And besides, Australia puts refugees in internment camps, so why all the focus on this Trump-Russia nothingburger?

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