Seabass wrote:Forty Two wrote:pErvinalia wrote:Forty Two wrote:
So... you can definitely believe them when they say that a Trump tariff policy will hurt American business, because nobody is more pro-American business than a Progressive political advocacy group.
They didn't say it. They quoted some research group saying it.
I've just decided to join the playbook of some others here - if the source is biased, I'm not looking beyond it. Find a better source that's saying the same thing. I wouldn't trust "Think Progress" as far as they can be thrown.
I don't read Think Progress, personally, but I'm sure it's a damn sight better than the garbage that you read.
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 7#p1745717
Alex Jones belongs in an insane asylum and his stupid "male vitality" supplements belong up his rectum.
I agree about Alex Jones. The "garbage you read" as you say, is not garbage I read. The most recent example you gave was from November 2016, almost a year and a half ago, and all it was was a video clip. It wasn't an article. It was just a video clip, and I don't think anyone was saying it was fake.
https://www.infowars.com/shock-video-bl ... ump-voter/ And, the response to that was "did you really post something from infowars."
My position at the time was basically that it's a video - it is what it is. It doesn't matter if it's on Hitler's Facebook page or on Steve Shives' Youtube Channel. It just does not matter. I wasn't saying that anything Infowars said was true, I just listed the video among a list of examples of a certain kind of conduct under discussion.
The difference here is that Think Progress is engaged in political advocacy about a complex point of the effect of a tariff. I agree in principle that their argument and facts should stand or fall on their own. But there is a significant difference between an extensive discussion/opinion piece, and what amounts to a link to a video.
The second link you provided was from August, 2016, and was another video (with some discussion) about a Wikileaks release - the beginning of the thousands and thousands of pages of leaked emails, which Julian Assange said could be significant if it "catches fire" in the media and the public. Nothing else. No conspiracy theories. And, it was accurate - Wikileaks did make the release and it was significant, obviously.
All the other links are 2012 and 2010 links. One in 2010 was a link at the start of a thread asking "will the US collapse economically" and primarily descrying the "neocons," Wall Street and Bush. LOL. It was pretty much uniformly agreed-with by all respondents that the US will collapse economically, and the consensus is that it had to do with capitalism being doomed to collapse
Another link fro 2011 just reports that a then new Rasmussen poll reported that only 17% of Americans thought that the US government had the consent of the governed.
However, in any case, I think it's unfair to suggest that infowars is my source. I've not used it that way. I don't value it as a source. I've said so. However, that doesn't mean that here and there it's not interesting to discuss things that show up there. That said, I would never post an article from Infowars that purported to discuss the economic effects of a budget, or tariff, or tax or something, and accept its conclusions or arguments. Infowars has an agenda, and is a right wing conspiracy theory website. So, we're not really in disagreement there.
That said, also, the fact that Infowars is often ridiculous does not make Think Progress a reliable, unbiased source of information whose opinions have a track record of unbiased accuracy.
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