Obama Administration Helped Hezbollah to Get Iran Deal?

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Obama Administration Helped Hezbollah to Get Iran Deal?

Post by Forty Two » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:05 pm

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2 ... stigation/

Politico's report on Obama's derailing of Project Cassandra.
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Post by Hermit » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:19 pm

Turf battles, especially the institutional conflict between law enforcement and intelligence agencies, contributed to the demise of Project Cassandra, Maltz said. But many Project Cassandra agents insist the main reason was a political choice to prioritize the Iranian nuclear agreement over efforts to crack down on Hezbollah.
Realpolitik can be a bitch, can't it? Trump destroyed both Iran's nuclear program and Hezbollah between two KFC gorging sessions. Oh, wait...
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Re: Obama Administration Helped Hezbollah to Get Iran Deal?

Post by Forty Two » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:40 pm

When Obama acts to allow cocaine trafficking into the United States and protect a terrorist organization in order to achieve his political goal, that's "Realpolitik." LOL. Gotcha. And, if news came out that Trump caused a project designed to stop Hezbollah's money laundering, worldwide criminal enterprise, and cocaine trafficking to Americans, in order to get a "deal" with a foreign country, you'd be like "realpolitick is a bitch, innit?" Right.......

Go ahead, proceed with your defense.
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Re: Obama Administration Helped Hezbollah to Get Iran Deal?

Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:30 pm

The IRA used their terrorism network to facilitate criminal activity to support their agenda. In the end the criminal activity was more productive and was pursued more vigorously than their political agenda, and ultimately a negotiated peace accord legitimised their political entitlement and engagement and curtailed their criminality. Now former IRA stalwarts are personally and politically more invested in maintaining peace than promoting terrorism or criminal activity, but some awkward compromises had to be reached on both sides. I'm not saying that this is entirely equivalent here, just that hard and uncomfortable steps sometimes have to be taken to achieve a better end. I got the feeling that the Obama administration was serious in its desire to seek and secure a negotiated settlement to the seemingly intractable Israel-Palestine problem. I don't think the current administration has a clear policy objective in that respect and the US's recent endorsement of Israel's sole claim to Jerusalem actually appears to be working against the ongoing peace initiatives rather than supporting them.
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Re: Obama Administration Helped Hezbollah to Get Iran Deal?

Post by Hermit » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:04 am

Forty Two wrote:When Obama acts to allow cocaine trafficking into the United States and protect a terrorist organization in order to achieve his political goal, that's "Realpolitik." LOL. Gotcha. And, if news came out that Trump caused a project designed to stop Hezbollah's money laundering, worldwide criminal enterprise, and cocaine trafficking to Americans, in order to get a "deal" with a foreign country, you'd be like "realpolitick is a bitch, innit?" Right.......

Go ahead, proceed with your defense.
I know you're trying to make a point. Unfortunately you have hit the <Post Bollocks> button before you got there.

Yes, Realpolitik is a bitch, the most common instances of which follow the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" principle. (Stalin, Mujahideen, etc.) Sometimes it works. At others it bites you in the bum. Almost all the time you get a mix of both.

Note that I am not arguing which examples worked and which ones didn't, nor am I saying Hezbollah is an enemy of my enemy. I just recognise that more often than not Realpolitik involves doing thoroughly reprehensible things in order to achieve a desirable goal. That applies to all politicians and rulers of any hue.

This post is just an elaboration on what I posted earlier. I expressed no opinion in it whether that particular instance of Realpolitik was wise or an outstandingly bad fail. I also refrained from commenting on any underlying (im)morality. By definition, Realpolitik is amoral, so any such comment would be irrelevant.
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