Obama's Legacy

[mistermack]

Now that he's well and truly history, what will he be remembered for?
I was all for Obama, like many others, when he got elected. After all, he was up against complete assholes.

But now he's gone, I will be remembering him for the trouble he caused. The failed Arab Spring, seeded and watered by the CIA, was a world disaster, and it still hasn't ended.
All of those people killed and maimed in Syria and Iraq etc. can thank Obama for their plight, it was all instigated and enabled and encouraged and paid for by the US and it's allies, on Barak's watch.

If he had done nothing, it wouldn't have happened.
Same goes for Ukraine. The former (democratically elected) president was happy keeping ties with Russia, and sitting in the middle between NATO and Russia. The CIA engineered and encouraged the totally illegal coup, and all that followed is the fault of Obama.

The fact that it went tits up is credit to Putin, who behind the scenes has run rings around Obama in every sphere.

So as far as I'm concerned, looking back now, Obama was a complete failure internationally, pretty much a disaster for world peace. He could have done a huge amount better, just by doing nothing at all.

[Tero]

He MAG.

Then Trump undid him, MAGA.

[Tero]

Yey Obama! Jobs jobs jobs. Job growth slowed down under Trump, 2017 was less than 2016. Must be those corporate taxes, made cash flow into hiring researchers rather than give it to the Gubment.

The US has bounced back from the dark depths of the Great Recession and recovered all of the 8.7m jobs it claimed, adding jobs every month since 2010 and setting a new record for uninterrupted jobs growth.

[pErvinalia]

Obomba

[laklak]

He ain't got no leg achy. He got a ass achy, her name Michelle.

[Brian Peacock]

Now that he's well and truly history, what will he be remembered for?
I was all for Obama, like many others, when he got elected. After all, he was up against complete assholes.

But now he's gone, I will be remembering him for the trouble he caused. The failed Arab Spring, seeded and watered by the CIA, was a world disaster, and it still hasn't ended.
All of those people killed and maimed in Syria and Iraq etc. can thank Obama for their plight, it was all instigated and enabled and encouraged and paid for by the US and it's allies, on Barak's watch.

If he had done nothing, it wouldn't have happened.
Same goes for Ukraine. The former (democratically elected) president was happy keeping ties with Russia, and sitting in the middle between NATO and Russia. The CIA engineered and encouraged the totally illegal coup, and all that followed is the fault of Obama.

The fact that it went tits up is credit to Putin, who behind the scenes has run rings around Obama in every sphere.

So as far as I'm concerned, looking back now, Obama was a complete failure internationally, pretty much a disaster for world peace. He could have done a huge amount better, just by doing nothing at all.

You expect the President to act like some sort of elected absolute monarch with the powers of a minor deity, and then you resent them for it forever after.

[laklak]

We got a great minor deity! The best! Nobody can compete with our minor deity! Just wait and see!

[Brian Peacock]

[Rum]

A minor day yeti?

I thought they were fabulous.

[mistermack]

You expect the President to act like some sort of elected absolute monarch with the powers of a minor deity, and then you resent them for it forever after.

The Presidential powers are restricted domestically in a lot of ways, but directing foreign policy is pretty much his exclusive prerogative.
Obama wouldn't have needed anybody's permission to give the nod and wink to the opposition forces in Syria and Libya. Nor to authorise the CIA to connive with the opposition in Ukraine to kick off the coup.

It would have all come to his desk for the final yes or no, and he would have been kept informed and involved in the policies and planning beforehand.

Another failure of Obama has been his handling of China. The Chinese have run rings around the USA in his time of office.
My conspiracy theory is that China and North Korea are acting together to keep the USA dangling.
America thinks it can put pressure on North Korea through China, so it is loathe to upset the Chinese.
So meanwhile, China has effectively annexed the entire South China Sea, with hardly a whimper from Obama.
He doesn't want to upset them, and lose their limited support against Kim Jong Un.
This is fantastic for China, so why would they want to do anything that upsets that situation?
They will continue to make limited gestures of public disapproval, while keeping Kim as a continued thorn in the side of the USA. It's working great for them.
Trump seems to have fallen for it as well.

America is now an international mouse, too timid to do anything substantial.
They are quietly getting their ass kicked by the rest of the world, I think their time is up on the international stage.
Putin and Kim and Xi are all doing exactly whatever they want, and the US is restricted to moving it's embassy in Israel to try to show who's boss.

[Forty Two]

[Animavore]

Obama is probably the best President I'm likely to see in my life time. What a shame he was followed by his diametric opposite. A pure scumbag with no dignity or taste who disgraces the nation. He's not even fit to wipe Obama's arse.

[Rum]

Legacy? Who would have guessed a black man could/would be elected president let alone a human being with such dignity, grace, good humour, ability and charm. No doubt he had his weaknesses - certainly as far as his political opponents were concerned, but he was much loved and you can't say that about many world leaders.

[laklak]

Not as loved as Dear Leader.

[Forty Two]

If you need to "love" and feel all warm and fuzzy about your "leaders" then that's cool for you. I'm more interested in a go getter who wants to go there and do their job. I don't need to like him or her. In fact, I'd prefer not to. Guys you wanna have a beer with don't make the best Presidents.